P2P-style Mobile Phones


So when do you think this technology will make it to the US? My vote is "never" or "after it has gone to Europe, Asia, South America, and maybe Africa."

For those who don't want to read the text at the link, a Swedish company has developed a peer-to-peer network scheme for cellular phones. No cell towers, no cellular service providers. Clusters of phones near each other form a network, with each phone able to talk to any other phone within a 2km range. The signals hop from one phone to the next, with an upper bound restriction of 7 hops (probably the result of optimization trials).

Anything beyond 2km can be routed to another phone cluster/network anywhere in the world using VoIP--simply plug in a USB dongle to a PC with a wireless networking card and make sure that at least one person in your current network is within 2km of said PC. Voila! You are now using VoIP and calling pretty much anywhere in the world for free.

I'll clip one paragraph from their site (emphasis mine):

TerraNet wants to help you rethink the economics of wireless communication. The world of telecommunications needs to calculate a new end-user value; your users expect an increased end-to-end value in wired and wireless communication, with little or no interest in what happens in between. Traditional operators are charging for landline and mobile phone calls like a taxicab - by the minute and by distance. With the arrival of flat rate or zero-rate communication solutions, including VoIP initiatives like Skype, the taxicab business model is no more. To eliminate the cost between the endpoints, you need to minimise the network infrastructure, the base stations, the antenna installations and the telephony servers. With the TerraNet Wireless Technology, the users deploy their own network.

Without massive structural reform, this will not see the light of day in the US for a long time, if ever.


Bolo September 11, 2007 - 7:16pm
( categories: Opinion | Technology )

Raja September 11, 2007 - 2:55pm

The cell phone won't keep us out of the non-existent bread lines!

Lasthorseman September 11, 2007 - 4:40pm

...to potential issues arising from sticky connections (once a connection is established, the route becomes set/stable). If the phones in the 'hops' are moving around, they'll be moving in and out of range of other phones.

With this in mind, technology for P2P phones will have to have packet-recombination and connection-hopping capabilities, else there would be many amusing problems here in the US....or it's never going to get out of the big cities (with large #'s or people nearby each other)

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justadood September 11, 2007 - 4:47pm

Don't cell phones do this now as they move down the highway from tower to tower? I realize the tower does some of the heavy lifting, but the method of operation seems as if it already exists. Or is it Apples and Oranges?

ww September 11, 2007 - 4:53pm

route calls between them (IT professionals correct me if I'm wrong...), but I don't believe they use packet-switching technology a la P2P. What these phones do is enable a towerless communication structure that is fully deployed by users. If you want to talk to someone more than 2km away you will need some sort of base station, but that can be as simple as a PC with a good net connection.

In theory, anyone could set up their own cell phone network with a PC, an internet connection, and some of these phones. That's what's so amazing and potentially liberating about it.

There are some concerns about power drain (phones always transmitting) and spectrum usage/overlap, but I can't wait to see where this technology goes. There's still a potential bottleneck at the > 2km range since you need an internet connection--and that could be owned and clamped down on by a telecom.

Edit: Also, cell phones don't directly connect to each other--they need a tower. These phones direct-connect.

Bolo September 11, 2007 - 5:39pm

I can connect to the internet with my cell phone now, and use it as a modem. So if the 'new' phones could network up to 2km, and also use already present tech to dial out to the tubz, then it would appear all the right stuff is off the shelf ready, 'cept the code, 'course.

ww September 11, 2007 - 5:56pm

well, unless you have a phone with a wireless network card in it, you're basically connecting to the internet over the phone network.
So your phone connects to a tower, and the tower connects to the internet for you. Which means the telco is in control.

You do get phones which also include wireless network cards and can switch to a wireless network connection whenever one is available (and will use voip over wireless network rather than the telco network whenever a network is available)

incy September 13, 2007 - 5:21pm

Phone connections (until this innovation) have always been end-to-end (the routing is figured out when you dial the number). Handing off a cell call between towers was a big deal (among techies) in the late 80s and early 90s, and handing off between carriers with reciprocity deals was a huge deal in the late 90s.

The internet was designed from day 1 to be able to route packet by packet. Translated to telephony, that's a few tenths of a second of voice at a time.

Gordon September 11, 2007 - 7:26pm

This technology is MANET - Mobile Adhoc NETworks. I worked on it in, umm, 2005. Yes, there has been consideration given to dynamic routing (hell, there are hundreds of academic papers on dynamic routing algorithms in MANETs). Yes, consideration has been given to hopping, battery power, etc.

One of things we thought that people could use this technology for was for a bunch of friends at a concert sharing different video streams with their friends.

Yeah, it won't fly in the US - not with the license fees needed to be recouped by carriers and the customary large margins that they are used to.

magicCarpet September 11, 2007 - 7:54pm

is advanced in Europe and Japan, but not in the US.
The US is more concerned about the bottom line.
The rest of the world is more concerned about advancement in the technical world.
Just like fashion and music, we are falling behind the rest of the world in the name of the all mighty dollar!

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kimmy September 11, 2007 - 6:41pm

nice catch. Wonder if we could get this into the US anyway. Does it infringe on some bought and paid for spectrum or can it be done as an end-run?

Ian Welsh September 11, 2007 - 7:17pm

Once it's everywhere there is nothing anybody can do about it.

creativelcro September 11, 2007 - 7:38pm

If it uses the free spectrum (as used for wifi, its free). If it uses spread spectrum, then free. That USB dongle, wifi or bluetooth?

And the USB dongle, is technically a "tower". A cheap one, but a "tower" nevertheless.

Battery life?

Synoia September 11, 2007 - 7:45pm

Yep, for end-user applications, the frequency band was the free (i.e. license-free) Wifi (2.4GHz). But, since the original post advertised as 2Km range, I am presuming it is using FRS frequencies (i.e. same frequency as the two-way family radios you can get at Best Buy).

Most cell phones have FM receivers at public FM radio freq built-in (Sony Walkman phones). They might have added on FM transmitters/receivers but tuned to FRS frequencies. The 2Km range is a dead give away.

The same technology can be used by firefighters or police (then they would use the first responder frequencies) or by the military (then they would use mil frequencies).

magicCarpet September 11, 2007 - 8:03pm

a "tower." But its one I, personally, can buy, put in my pocket, and carry around with me. Very nice, imo.

Bolo September 11, 2007 - 8:09pm

So that goes directly to "availability of towers". One need fixed infrastructure to build a reliable service. A single channel cell site is inexpensive, $50 (see below). Thousand of multichannel high capacity cell sites (which is what we all use), is expensive.

You can do this, more or less, with TMobile's Hotspot@Home, that runs GSM over IP through your wifi router at home or in the office, or starbucks, or your favorite wifi hotspot. The Nokia 6086 will switch from wifi cell to wifi cell as you move.

I hve one,as does my wife. The cut in cell bill was 50%.

Synoia September 11, 2007 - 8:26pm

...and has been around for awhile. See the Wikipedia description.

Some mesh networks have been deployed in the US and in several developing countries. If you subscribe to a broadband carrier here, your TOS (terms of service) probably prohibit it.

Of course, the people on the fringes of the mesh benefit more than people in the interior, or those closest to the external feed points.

Roughly the same thing happens with Bittorrent exchanges; I usually find myself at the end of a session having uploaded twice what I've downloaded. Another victim of a swarm of leeches...

Petronius September 12, 2007 - 12:16am

...military comms nets now deployed are mesh based / mesh enabled. There's also been some emergency services deployments as well. The potential advantages are so great, particularly in the context of a homeland security "event" that I think this architecture will probably end up with some serious traction. The notion that you can drop a mish mash of folks and agencies together while surging resources into a disaster area is one that would give any mission planner warm fuzzies. I always try and tell folks if you don't have a comms plan, you don't have shit - but if you've got one, your capacity and particularly your resiliency goes up enormously.

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JustPlainDave September 12, 2007 - 7:06am

Are all ya'all familiar with Moko?
http://www.openmoko.com/

They've been looking at mesh networking for cell phones (they make note of Terranet's proprietary and closed protocol) and it's potential over there..
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Mesh_Networking

JackNYC September 17, 2007 - 8:03am

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