RIP Gerald Ford-But sorry to disagree with the pundits and . . .


. . . about everyone else in America, including Sen. Kennedy and Jimmy Carter, [if you are with me, it would be nice to know, and as we know this is not new to me as an Agonista, heh...] but the pardon of Nixon by Ford has NOT been vindicated or shown to be the wise and wonderful, forgiving and morally superior thing to do, IMHO, as a lot of people are saying.

More after the jump

Why? Because Nixon essentially got away with it; legally his behavior harmed all Americans, and to pardon him in the name of all Americans was BS. Let Ford pardon him in his own mind, but not in my name. He paid for his crimes, I would agree, SORT OF, yet he did not get what he deserved, LEGALLY and the rule of law was essentially circumvented....

And that folks is why we have what we have today: a bunch of true, dyed in the wool criminals running Washington and the White House: no redress, acting with impunity, and no fear of reprisal.

Sickening.

A truly wise and forgiving thing to do, was Sadat signing the peace with Israel, for which he paid with his life, or Mandela calling for a truth and reconciliation commission; these in very major ways are different than what Ford did. If some cannot see this, then I can't help them.

late edit:[i posted this on the other Ford thread, Graham, for what it's worth]

addendum: if Nixon had admitted his crimes in public, had said he was wrong and asked forgiveness, publically of all Americans, then MY VOTE would be to forgive. added...and i think it should have been a vote.
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bernadene December 27, 2006 - 5:00pm
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about Nixon??? Your rhetoric is extreme, and you appear increasingly to me to reflect the same intensity and lack of charity as those you condemn. If you have the time get hold of the Frost/Nixon interview, watch it and reflect.
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Graham December 27, 2006 - 3:43pm

in my opinion, have only reinforced the ease with which one in high office in America can commit a crime and get away with it. Nixon should have been made an example of, if, as we say we are, a nation of laws.

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. This principle is, contempt prior to examination."

Sean-Paul Kelley December 27, 2006 - 5:09pm

the disaster of the end of vietnam. economic recession. he let new york die. he fostered the great vipers of cheney and rumsfeld in his white house nest, allowing the next generation of republican criminals to plague our generation. there were other blunders, and if he pardoned nixon to spare the nation pain, he merely pushed that pain forward, so a new generation could pay the cost of republican scandal and corruption.

ford did great damage to this nation, by allowing us to avoid coming to terms with a republican party that brought us illegal war, run amok intelligence communities, rife corruption, and government without ethics. because ford feared a liberal uprising, indeed, perhaps even something close to revolution, he let the man most responsible for tarring the presidency get away scot free. to this day, there has been no "healing," only forgetfulness and a repeat of nixon's worst errors.

ford may have been a nice guy and a decent human being, but he didn't serve his country well by taking the easy road.

chicago dyke December 27, 2006 - 5:24pm

how, if Nixon had been prosecuted, it would have prevented the rise of the Neocons to power and the installation of our current First Clown to office. From my perspective, the criminals running the government today make Haldeman, Dean, Erlichman, Mitchell, et al look like choirboys.

The virtue--or lack thereof--of Nixon's pardon is still a ripe and relevant debate topic. But the fact that he "got away with it" doesn't, in my view, automatically connect to America's tolerance of the Bushco Bullshit.

"If they buy the premise, they'll buy the bit."

--Johnny Carson

Doug Richardson December 27, 2006 - 5:42pm

Same people, plus proteges, were involved in Nixon, Iran/Contra and Bush. Putting a fair number of them away might well have stopped it.

Besides, as a matter of principle, letting powerful people do illegal things with immunity while having punitive punishment for the powerless is pretty bloody sickening.

The refusal to lock up important people for wrongdoing is certainly one contributing factor in why they keep doing illegal things.

I never quite get why people want to lock up people for petty crime, but become so forgiving when major crime is done at the highest ranks of government.

Ian Welsh December 27, 2006 - 6:03pm

the seedbed from which the Iran-Contra debacle germinated; naturally the same faces and their proteges are now the problem. The rot could have been dealt a serious setback then.

Ford wasn't a King.

Ford was a public servant (and not even an elected one) who, for whatever reason, did his job badly (in that respect) and shoveled the problem downstream, like a lazy janitor who stuffs food waste into cardboard boxes to rot rather than disposing of them properly.

Now the entire planet is facing the consequences of the refusal to act more forcefully.

Escher Sketch December 27, 2006 - 6:13pm

(DKos Diary)

The passing of former President Gerald Ford will produce a torrent of retrospectives and remembrances. The media will undoubtedly focus on the Nixon resignation, the end of our "long national nightmare," and the pardons that probably cost Ford the election in 1976. But there is a lesser known story that may have an even longer reach. It's a story that touches on some of the core values of our liberties and introduces us to a cast of characters that remain on stage today...

(President Ford flanked by Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney)

... Johnson signed the bill, but its form at the time made it nearly impotent. Congress endeavored to shore up FOIA and produced legislation to amend it in 1974...

... Ford eventually was persuaded to veto the bill with the help of a trio of advisors: his Chief of Staff, Donald Rumsfeld; his deputy Chief of Staff, Dick Cheney; and the head of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, Antonin Scalia...

... The veto was overridden by Congress and the amendments became law. In the intervening years it has proven to be an invaluable tool to rein in the kind of government arrogance and abuse that is exemplified so well by the Nixon era that preceded its passage.

(...)

( ... Link ... )

Goodbye, Gerald.

Escher Sketch December 27, 2006 - 7:06pm

where Ford publicly peed on Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush for the war in Iraq.

Ford wasn't a neocon...no Pax Americana crap in anyything I've seen or read. He wasn't the best prsident we've ever had--far from it--but I believe his "Let it be" attitude toward Nixon's crimes was the right thing to do at the time. I'll say again: Bush & Company's crimes make Nixon's look like shoplifting.

Justice should be levied on a case-by case basis.

Thanks for the link, though.

"If they buy the premise, they'll buy the bit."

--Johnny Carson

Doug Richardson December 28, 2006 - 6:45am

I posted it upthread in its entirety

Ford Disagreed With Bush About Invading Iraq



"you can disagree without being disagreeable" ~ Gerald Ford

Tina December 28, 2006 - 6:56am

Ford wasn't a neocon...no Pax Americana crap in anyything I've seen or read.

However, I can't see any evidence that it's the actual argument; it's merely that Ford nurtured these guys and gave them career boosts despite what by that time must have been hints of anti-democratic, authoritarian tendencies, out of sync with the post-Watergate push to critically examine government action for accordance with the public will and American founding principles.

You won't actually find Ford making those statements publicly. As is expressly indicated by the Woodward interview which was embargoed until his death, he refrained from those comments: "And now, I've never publicly said I thought they made a mistake..."

He gave an embargoed interview, and it wasn't to avoid embarrassing the President or criticizing the office - because if it were, logically he wouldn't have given the interview, or allowed it to be released at all upon his death. Why would that suddenly "not embarrass the President or the office" just because Ford was now dead?

No, he knew what monsters he'd created, what vipers he had nurtured - and what they were capable of (and habituated to) doing to critics.

He didn't want to face that in his last years. He wanted to "go comfy into that dark night". So it was his own personal death upon which his embargo was predicated.

He covered his ass by recording a statement showing him as "being on the right side" - once his death put him safely out of the reach of controversy or retaliation or discreditation generated by the Mighty Wurlitzer.

Escher Sketch December 29, 2006 - 5:50pm

flanked by these two men who thirty years later presided over the end of America's opposition to torture - over extraordinary renditions raised from a rare and unpleasant last-resort necessity to a scheduled air service with a small fleet at its service - to the insititution of a terrifying network of secret prisons built on the soil of at-that-time Cold War enemies over whom our moral superiority had never been seriously questioned.

All photographs lie. But allow me the vanity of pointing to the story the snapshot tells in isolation.

Ford stands, arms crossed in slightly defensive body language, squinting, brow furrowed in puzzled but goodnatured consternation. He is flanked by two men with broad used-car-salesman grins.

Cheney's fist, lightly clenched, hangs self-consciously in the "Napoleon position" over his midriff, underscoring and supporting the globe in the background.

Ford looks for all the world like a genial rube, arms crossed in skepticism, being hustled by two sharpies.

It's far too much to read into a simple snapshot; perhaps it's more a snapshot of the inside of my own head, and if nobody else sees what I see I do I'll accept that. But in the language of images, it seems to tell a story. Perhaps it inadvertently captured something - something unconscious and intuitive inside the head of the photographer, or the person who selected the photo.

Escher Sketch December 29, 2006 - 5:20pm

I'd like to be clear that in no way do I think Ford ranks up there with our few "great" Presidents; I think he was a reluctant dragon who, by fate alone, got shoved into a job he genuinely had no desire--or ability--to execute. But having lived through and having watched him stumble (literally) through his tenure, his connection to the mess we're in now, I still feel, is very thin.

Your take on the picture is interesting as hell. And yes, absolutely, they look like two wolves talking with a sheep about what to have for dinner. But I think, in politics in particular, evil is a progressive thing and from everything I've read and seen, there was no conclusive evidence that these guys were at work plotting world domination at the cost of American lives, resources and it's constitution. My understanding is that the Neocon gameplan came later.

Now, if I'm wrong and Ford was just plain too dumb or inexperienced to spot a nascent, pre-PNAC plot and delusion of grandeur...well, then, I'm wrong. But there is a rush to hang blame for today's sorry American state on any politician with an "R" after his or her name,and it just strikes me as 'way too easy...and intellectually sloppy. I am as angry as anyone here at the atrocities these guys and their cohorts have committed...I guess my list of the Inner Sanctum'smembers is just a bit shorter than others'.

"If they buy the premise, they'll buy the bit."

--Johnny Carson

Doug Richardson December 31, 2006 - 9:04am

or am i just a fool when I pray
"forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us"
<"Are we at the terminus of a civilization, a culture, that staggers on the edge of extinction?" - hattip usda at CE.

Graham December 27, 2006 - 6:59pm

Graham. It all reminds me of my old sigs: woulda, coulda, shoulda and hindsight is 20/20.

Tina December 27, 2006 - 7:03pm

Nixons resignation speech and Fords pardon proclamation. I personally have no doubt that President Ford made the right decision, and it cost him dearly.
<"Are we at the terminus of a civilization, a culture, that staggers on the edge of extinction?" - hattip usda at CE.

Graham December 27, 2006 - 7:14pm

And Joseph Stalin.

For what that's worth.

It isn't about forgiveness. It's about never forgetting, and never letting the world forget.

Escher Sketch December 27, 2006 - 7:09pm

look at the good things a person has achieved and not focus on their mistakes and faults. It's advice that has paid dividends a thousand fold over the years for me.
<"Are we at the terminus of a civilization, a culture, that staggers on the edge of extinction?" - hattip usda at CE.

Graham December 27, 2006 - 7:16pm

Right then. So you're for not putting other crooks in jail too? Or is it only for presidents and powerful people whom you believe deserve pardons?

Ian Welsh December 27, 2006 - 8:22pm

I guess its post-christmas malaise. I have promoted and supported restorative justice programs over the past 12 years or so, and also believe in three strikes and you are inside programs.

Sadly in Australia the indigineous people get locked up more than others, but at the same time some of our high flyer crooked business men have been incarcerated for their misdemenours.

Yes, punishment is correct but compassion and circumstances dictate other course of action occasionally. So three cheers for Nixons pardon, it could have been 33 years of 'felon nixon recriminations' if he had been tried, convicted and imprisoned. The political balance and checks in the system worked during Ford's presidency and then the people voted... So on the balance of things, I rest my case.

The people of the USA get the people they vote for normally, in Ford's case a huge exception :)
<"Are we at the terminus of a civilization, a culture, that staggers on the edge of extinction?" - hattip usda at CE.

Graham December 27, 2006 - 8:38pm

I grew up in one of the most elite private schools in Canada. I was taught that having one set of rules for the privileged and another set for the peons was profoundly immoral - that the rules (call them laws) apply to us all and would be applied without any favor, no matter who we were. I am not going to agree that letting Nixon off was in any fashion moral or the right thing to do, any more than I am going to stop pushing for hanging Bush and Cheney high for their war crimes. Maybe that makes me a stiff necked moralist, so be it - I'm much more willing to be lenient to the powerless than to the powerful - to those whom much is given, much is expected, and the people who should be forgiven the least are those with the most power.

The US locks up more people per capita than any other nation in the world. It beats out Russia, it beats out the totalitarian Chinese regime. If you're poor you get no second chances. But if you're important, well then, never mind - instead of going to prison for drug crimes you go to rehab; instead of going to jail for torture, you make it retroactively legal and when you step down because of crimes you've committed, hey, your ex veep makes it all ok.

And people wonder why US leaders keep doing grossly illegal and immoral things? Because they know that odds are they're going to get off.

Responsibility - it's only for little people.

Tolerate irresponsibility and you'll get more of it. And that's what the US has gotten from its elites.

Ian Welsh December 27, 2006 - 9:02pm

but sometimes a pardon can do more than a sentence. In Nixons case I believe that Ford made the right call. And it was a tough call! I believe Nixon never thanked Ford...

But it's obvious that emotions run hot on this one here at the agonist, looking around the blogosphere there appears to be more balance than here.... interesting.

<"Are we at the terminus of a civilization, a culture, that staggers on the edge of extinction?" - hattip usda at CE.

Graham December 27, 2006 - 9:11pm

Oh yes, "balance".

Ian Welsh December 27, 2006 - 9:40pm

circumstances, i agree. i don't agree with that for Nixon. see above addendum to my original post.

thanks everyone, for all your comments.

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bernadene December 27, 2006 - 11:38pm

By today's yardsticks--and the equal punishment you espouse--Johnson was a liar and a war criminal of the highest magnitude and should have been hung.

And Clinton: did he get justice? Impeachment for a blowjob and lying about it?

Justice in this country has never been meted out equally or impartially; it's only a goal for which we aim.

"If they buy the premise, they'll buy the bit."

--Johnny Carson

Doug Richardson December 28, 2006 - 6:52am

Ford's Supreme Court Legacy
Justice John Paul Stevens Remains One of Ford's Most Enduring Legacies

By JAN CRAWFORD GREENBURG

Dec. 27, 2006 — - One of President Ford's most enduring legacies was his nomination of Justice John Paul Stevens to the Supreme Court.

Now in his fourth decade on the court, Stevens is a maverick thinker who has proven to be surprisingly liberal and has kept the court from moving further to the right.

In a tribute last year, Ford praised the independent Stevens and said he was "prepared to allow history's judgment of my term in office" to rest exclusively on the nomination.

He said he agreed with Stevens' views on the separation of church and state, and on requiring rigorous procedural safeguards for criminal defendants.

Ford nominated Stevens to the Supreme Court in 1975, when he was a Chicago-based federal appeals court judge, to replace liberal giant William O. Douglas.

Douglas had suffered a debilitating stroke the year before, and he turned in his resignation letter to Ford the next year with great reluctance -- and only after concerned colleagues on the court had urged him to do so.

..snip

The Stevens Choice

Stevens was above reproach. He had even been counsel to a special commission that had investigated ethics complaints against members of the Illinois Supreme Court. Stevens has said he believes that work caught the attention of administration officials, who were looking for a nominee with sterling credentials and no ethical problems.

Ford's decision to nominate Stevens over better-known conservative favorites like Bork shaped the direction of the closely divided court -- and, by extension, the country. Stevens has sided with a five-bloc liberal majority to reject abortion regulations, uphold affirmative action programs, denounce religion in the public sphere, and demand greater protections for criminal defendants.

...snip

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2754268&page=1

Tina December 27, 2006 - 7:26pm

posted in full for educationl purposes only

Ford Disagreed With Bush About Invading Iraq

By Bob Woodward
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, December 28, 2006; A01

Former president Gerald R. Ford said in an embargoed interview in July 2004 that the Iraq war was not justified. "I don't think I would have gone to war," he said a little more than a year after President Bush launched the invasion advocated and carried out by prominent veterans of Ford's own administration.

In a four-hour conversation at his house in Beaver Creek, Colo., Ford "very strongly" disagreed with the current president's justifications for invading Iraq and said he would have pushed alternatives, such as sanctions, much more vigorously. In the tape-recorded interview, Ford was critical not only of Bush but also of Vice President Cheney -- Ford's White House chief of staff -- and then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, who served as Ford's chief of staff and then his Pentagon chief.

"Rumsfeld and Cheney and the president made a big mistake in justifying going into the war in Iraq. They put the emphasis on weapons of mass destruction," Ford said. "And now, I've never publicly said I thought they made a mistake, but I felt very strongly it was an error in how they should justify what they were going to do."

In a conversation that veered between the current realities of a war in the Middle East and the old complexities of the war in Vietnam whose bitter end he presided over as president, Ford took issue with the notion of the United States entering a conflict in service of the idea of spreading democracy.

"Well, I can understand the theory of wanting to free people," Ford said, referring to Bush's assertion that the United States has a "duty to free people." But the former president said he was skeptical "whether you can detach that from the obligation number one, of what's in our national interest." He added: "And I just don't think we should go hellfire damnation around the globe freeing people, unless it is directly related to our own national security."

The Ford interview -- and a subsequent lengthy conversation in 2005 -- took place for a future book project, though he said his comments could be published at any time after his death. In the sessions, Ford fondly recalled his close working relationship with key Bush advisers Cheney and Rumsfeld while expressing concern about the policies they pursued in more recent years.

"He was an excellent chief of staff. First class," Ford said. "But I think Cheney has become much more pugnacious" as vice president. He said he agreed with former secretary of state Colin L. Powell's assertion that Cheney developed a "fever" about the threat of terrorism and Iraq. "I think that's probably true."

Describing his own preferred policy toward Saddam Hussein's Iraq, Ford said he would not have gone to war, based on the publicly available information at the time, and would have worked harder to find an alternative. "I don't think, if I had been president, on the basis of the facts as I saw them publicly," he said, "I don't think I would have ordered the Iraq war. I would have maximized our effort through sanctions, through restrictions, whatever, to find another answer."

Ford had faced his own military crisis -- not a war he started like Bush, but one he had to figure out how to end. In many ways those decisions framed his short presidency -- in the difficult calculations about how to pull out of Vietnam and the challenging players who shaped policy on the war. Most challenging of all, as Ford recalled, was Henry A. Kissinger, who was both secretary of state and national security adviser and had what Ford said was "the thinnest skin of any public figure I ever knew."

"I think he was a super secretary of state," Ford said, "but Henry in his mind never made a mistake, so whatever policies there were that he implemented, in retrospect he would defend."

In 1975, Ford decided to relieve Kissinger of his national security title. "Why Nixon gave Henry both secretary of state and head of the NSC, I never understood," Ford said. "Except he was a great supporter of Kissinger. Period." But Ford viewed Kissinger's dual roles as a conflict of interest that weakened the administration's ability to fully air policy debates. "They were supposed to check on one another."

That same year, Ford also decided to fire Defense Secretary James R. Schlesinger and replace him with Rumsfeld, who was then Ford's White House chief of staff. Ford recalled that he then used that decision to go to Kissinger and say, "I'm making a change at the secretary of defense, and I expect you to be a team player and work with me on this" by giving up the post of security adviser.

Kissinger was not happy. "Mr. President, the press will misunderstand this," Ford recalled Kissinger telling him. "They'll write that I'm being demoted by taking away half of my job." But Ford made the changes, elevating the deputy national security adviser, Brent Scowcroft, to take Kissinger's White House post.

Throughout this maneuvering, Ford said, he kept his White House chief of staff in the dark. "I didn't consult with Rumsfeld. And knowing Don, he probably resented the fact that I didn't get his advice, which I didn't," Ford said. "I made the decision on my own."

Kissinger remained a challenge for Ford. He regularly threatened to resign, the former president recalled. "Over the weekend, any one of 50 weekends, the press would be all over him, giving him unshirted hell. Monday morning he would come in and say, 'I'm offering my resignation.' Just between Henry and me. And I would literally hold his hand. 'Now, Henry, you've got the nation's future in your hands and you can't leave us now.' Henry publicly was a gruff, hard-nosed, German-born diplomat, but he had the thinnest skin of any public figure I ever knew."

Ford added, "Any criticism in the press drove him crazy." Kissinger would come in and say: "I've got to resign. I can't stand this kind of unfair criticism." Such threats were routine, Ford said. "I often thought, maybe I should say: 'Okay, Henry. Goodbye,' " Ford said, laughing. "But I never got around to that."

At one point, Ford recalled Kissinger, his chief Vietnam policymaker, as "coy." Then he added, Kissinger is a "wonderful person. Dear friend. First-class secretary of state. But Henry always protected his own flanks."

Ford was also critical of his own actions during the interviews. He recalled, for example, his unsuccessful 1976 campaign to remain in office, when he was under enormous pressure to dump Vice President Nelson A. Rockefeller from the Republican ticket. Some polls at the time showed that up to 25 percent of Republicans, especially those from the South, would not vote for Ford if Rockefeller, a New Yorker from the liberal wing of the Republican Party, was on the ticket.

When Rockefeller offered to be dropped from the ticket, Ford took him up on it. But he later regretted it. The decision to dump the loyal Rockefeller, he said, was "an act of cowardice on my part."

In the end, though, it was Vietnam and the legacy of the retreat he presided over that troubled Ford. After Saigon fell in 1975 and the United States evacuated from Vietnam, Ford was often labeled the only American president to lose a war. The label always rankled.

"Well," he said, "I was mad as hell, to be honest with you, but I never publicly admitted it."

Christine Parthemore contributed to this report.

wapo

Tina December 28, 2006 - 3:03am

Former president Gerald R. Ford said in an embargoed interview in July 2004 that the Iraq war was not justified. "I don't think I would have gone to war," he said a little more than a year after President Bush launched the invasion advocated and carried out by prominent veterans of Ford's own administration.

In a four-hour conversation at his house in Beaver Creek, Colo., Ford "very strongly" disagreed with the current president's justifications for invading Iraq and said he would have pushed alternatives, such as sanctions, much more vigorously. In the tape-recorded interview, Ford was critical not only of Bush but also of Vice President Cheney -- Ford's White House chief of staff -- and then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, who served as Ford's chief of staff and then his Pentagon chief.

"Rumsfeld and Cheney and the president made a big mistake in justifying going into the war in Iraq. They put the emphasis on weapons of mass destruction," Ford said. "And now, I've never publicly said I thought they made a mistake, but I felt very strongly it was an error in how they should justify what they were going to do."

The Ford interview -- and a subsequent lengthy conversation in 2005 -- took place for a future book project, though he said his comments could be published at any time after his death. In the sessions, Ford fondly recalled his close working relationship with key Bush advisers Cheney and Rumsfeld while expressing concern about the policies they pursued in more recent years.

Silence is assent.

And assent to what happened in Iraq is now transformed into assent to what is planned for Iran.

It's not passive and historical and archival. It's living history that is informing the actions of forces being maneuvered into place this week as we speak.

It's the silence of people like Ford that positioned this Administration to strike again - this time perhaps doing worse than merely infuriating Islam; perhaps launching WWIII.

I hope your loved ones survive it, Gerald; after all, the most important thing is you personally were spared the creation of inconvenient embarrassment.

Silence is assent.

Escher Sketch December 28, 2006 - 5:05pm

the elderly Ford for all the evil that Bush is, be sure to save room for all the bloggers & reporters that didn't report ad nauseum of the background of Bush's buddies for the last 7 years. (sarcasm)



"you can disagree without being disagreeable" ~ Gerald Ford

Tina December 28, 2006 - 6:43pm

cared about anything other than its consumer-driven economy at the sacrifice of the poorest and the middle class?

Emotions were sparked during the McCarthy hearings, but they quickly faded and what is now on the horizon has not been seen as a threat to their style of democracy by the electorate. They voted twice for Bush. Enuf said. Corporations will rule America. It's too expensive for a principled person to run for office.

Ford was a centrist concilator and for that he will be condemned to an in your face nationalistic country who uses their military around the world to enforce their concept of democracy. Too bad they don't know anything about compromise. In case Americans don't know, it always has been, "America's way and the rest of the world doesn't have a vote!"

canuck December 28, 2006 - 9:03am

Americans suck.

In 300 years we have done absolutely nothing to help anyone else in the world but ourselves. We don't give the rest of the world a nickel of all that filthy lucre we generate. We contribute nothing to science or art. We're all self-serving pigs, 24/7.

Why don't you folks whip up a batch of that special Kool-Aid and truck it down here and we'll all have a nice, healthy chug.

Doug Richardson December 28, 2006 - 12:11pm

that matter for human happiness and true prosperity.

Yet, where else would any one of us want to live? No where, except,perhaps, for me, Canada...I once heard Canadians described as "like Americans under control" heh. Where else do so many people in the world, STILL want to live because of what we say are our ideals? Say what you will about America, but regardless of their rage at us, many still see us as the Shining City On the Hill, i hear it all the time. serious. it used to sicken me.
canuck is right on in criticism and to say what was said. in my experience, the people who are the most critical of us, are the most disappointed and the most admiring.

My God, we COULD have done so much good for ourselves, much less the rest of the world with those billions and billions of $ we have now wasted for death and destruction, and to enrich criminals. what a true world tragedy.

What has happened in America, IMHO is a natural evolution of our unique republic...a young, bold, aggressive and iconoclastic culture, whose execution of the original vision has now gone awry...to me, it's a really awful, horrible, nighmarish deviation on the path, a hard hard lesson that we are learning, and unfortunately, too many people in the world have allowed us to...i know there are many factors, global, economic, etc that come into play, but I think in a large measure, our national mythology is what is driving this.

in a way, it's almost as if America could do no wrong, and there was a kind of world mesmerization with us.

If a huge number of Americans and other people in the world, didn't agree with what has happened in the world, it wouldn't have.

we are like a teen-ager who struck gold and without that much effort, earned a billion dollars...without experience and a well developed moral compass that comes with it.

this is not to say that Bush and Co should not be tried for war crimes. they should. and perhaps they will be. the world is a strange and wonderfully unpredictable place. i have absolute faith in the goodness of the human spirit. canya tell?

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bernadene December 28, 2006 - 6:59pm

it's their politicians and lobbyists that suck! If money can ever be taken out of American politics, it will return to what is best for the poor, underprivileged, seniors...provide universal health care and a way for working people to retire. Until then it is doomed to be driven by corporations and people who make hay when there isn't enough water for the crops to grow.

Ford made mistakes, but I believe he was driven by what was best for America. He was principled and Nixon was not. His light didn't shine brightly and he was not elected. Jimmy Carter, another very good man did not impress. Reagan instead was elected, because by appearances he was more impressive. Appearances are often deceiving and marketing agencies can make Attila the Hun look good.

I love America and there is great promise in their wondrous documents that were written up. The failure is bringing the promise to fruition.

Perhaps if there was more land between people, there wouldn't be so many populous governments that are elected? People do become more aggressive when they are confined to small spaces.

As I write this I am in North Carolina on a large campsite with towering oak trees and space between the RV's. Campfires are light in the evening and we are free to join in--politics are not discussed.

canuck January 2, 2007 - 10:10am

before falling off the righthand edge of the intellectual world in his dotage, wrote two books which were characterized much less by flashing lasers than by an attempt to extrapolate the moral evolution of humanity in the centuries to come.

Ender's Game

The first book, "Ender's Game", became one of the most popular books in the history of science fiction.

It follows the early years of Andrew ("Ender") Wiggin, a boy who is selected and trained by the military to be the planet's general to fight a faceless, demonized foe ("the buggers") for his twin characteristics of empathy and ruthlessness - needed to both fully understand the enemy and to destroy them.

Ender's final months of training are spent in a video-game-like environment where he commands a virtual simulated fleet. Cracking under the relentless strain, Ender finally decides to "flunk out" by savagely achieving victory over their virtual enemy by exterminating their homeworld - and their species - in a graduation exercise.

But to his horror, Ender discovers at the end of his "training" that he has not been training at all but commanding actual forces by remote control. It was not a game; Ender's "xenocide", the extermination of an entire species, is real.

Ender is ten years old.

Most horrifyingly, Ender's empathy has brought him to the shocking and inevitable realization that the entire war was based on mutual misunderstanding rather than mutually imcompatible endstates. It could have been resolved with one honest series of dialogues.

Speaker For the Dead

Ender's saga continues in "Speaker for the Dead", set thousands of years later. His life artificially prolonged by the relativistic effects of frequent space travel, the guilt-driven Ender has wandered seeking expiation for the evil he committed in ignorance.

Ender has become a "Speaker for the Dead", a healer who presides at funerals on request. His role is both simple and complex - he arrives and conducts a thorough and probing investigation of the life and actions of the deceased. He then speaks the "truth" of their life at a memorial service - respecting neither delicacy, position, wealth, power or "decency".

The speeches are revelatory and shocking. Many would simply prefer to hear "nice things" spoken of the deceased. Ender "speaks the life" of the deceased unflinchingly, using the same qualities of empathy and utter ruthlessness that made him the planet's supreme general.

Cathartically for the mourners, Ender's revelation of both the good and the hideous actions of the deceased are accompanied by revelation of motives for those shocking actions - and most importantly for the mourners for whom all funeral services are held, revelations of the community's own complicity in both the motives and the actions themselves.

The deceased stands revealed, complete and whole. The community can begin healing.

Early in "Speaker for the Dead", Ender arrives on Lusitania to "speak" a death of a man killed by its aboriginal peoples, at the very moment when humanity stands on the brink of exterminating those peoples in retaliation.

His "speaking" of a man's death at the hands of the aboriginals will serve both to examine the man's life and to forestall and confound the most vile and unspeakable repetition of history - the second "xenocide".

There are other later books in the series, but these two are the keystones.

Ford and the Agonist

Voices on the Agonist are providing counter-information about Gerald Ford that illuminate the complexity unspoken in his inevitable media hagiography and "CNNonization".

None of us may be "Speakers For The Dead" - but we're valid parts of the voice. As you can see from that photograph of Ford, Cheney and Rumsfeld, the unspeakable not only can - but does repeat itself, has repeated itself, without willingess to tell that truth both empathetically and ruthlessly.

Perhaps Graham is a voice of that empathy and others are voices of that ruthlessness. As an aggregate the Agonist is delivering a picture of a complex man living in complex times, pointing out both the goodness of the man and his errors - and the complicity of the community. Respect for the dead is not shown by praising them, it is shown by knowing them. One sole monochromatic view by itself produces falsehood, no matter how good the motives.

And as far as "respect for the office" goes, the president is not a King. The president is a servant like a janitor is. In 2006 it's time to start treating them like the employees they are - and framing in terms of the office-holder having a little respect for the employer, the people who provide them with that office.

There is nothing "holy" about that office. It's a janitor's cubicle. It's imbued with authority solely by the will of the people and provided or robbed of merit or respect by the current holder.

This is an employee review. With both voices in place the review can proceed with more honesty.

Escher Sketch December 28, 2006 - 3:07pm

Thanks for your comments pointing out the complexity of the Ford legacy.

I would consider myself not so much empathetic, sheesh he was a Republican, but honoring the man.

A man who I believe from a wide range of material read over many years made a choice he felt would help the people of the USA.

History will judge the complete legacy of Ford, not just the shrill voices clamoring their undying bitter response to the pardon of Nixon.

Graham December 28, 2006 - 3:22pm

EOM

Joaquin December 28, 2006 - 6:49pm

I confess I never really thought much of Gerald Ford. I knew that Chevy Chase didn't resemble him much, but I probably saw more of Chevy Chase spoofing Ford than Ford himself. I knew that Ford pardoned Nixon, and I kind of understood why. I knew that Ford did not distinguish himself much in office, and yet he trounced -- trounced -- Ronald Reagan in the GOP primary in 1976.

The world didn't blow up. The economy didn't collapse, though inflation hit us hard. And in an age when politics was much more moderate in tone and liberal in values, he was known as a bipartisan leader of sorts. I never would have voted for him, had I been old enough, but as I look back at what the GOP has had to offer the White House since, he seems to be not all that bad in retrospect.

So it really is quite shocking to me, the reactions offering everything from naive praise to vehement hatred expressed towards Gerald Ford, the man who's merited scarcely a mention in blogs ... that is until he died.

it goes on mentioning Booman, Bernedene and others

http://mediagirl.org/node/1416



"you can disagree without being disagreeable" ~ Gerald Ford

Tina December 28, 2006 - 8:58pm

...than anyone's yet noted. Yes, there are links between the neocons, Nixon and Ford, but I don't think that much of the development of neocon thought can be attributed specifically to Ford pardoning Nixon. Rumsfeld and Cheney certainly had a great boost from the Ford administration, but my understanding is that's in large part due to the fact that they weren't involved in the misdeeds that got Nixon booted. A good deal of what they came to think regarding executive privilege came out of their belief that the various inquiries into Nixon's abuses and associated changes were over-reactions - seems to me that it's dicey at best to try and model how they'd have reacted to criminal charges rather than the pardon. I'd be tremendously interested in anything James Mann had to say on the topic, given his treatment of the Ford administration in Rise of the Vulcans, but I haven't yet seen anything by him (one or two quotes, but nothing by him).

"We declared war on terror, it's not even a noun, so, good luck. After we defeat it, I'm sure we'll take on that bastard ennui." - Jon Stewart.

JustPlainDave December 28, 2006 - 10:01pm

...these half-baked retreads from tne Iran Contra Days learned their craft ar Reagan's side...no one really paid for that either...not Old Ronnie, not North, not no one no how...perhaps that is where they realized the extent of their criminal abilities...and perhaps that was because of Nixon's pardon....

All i know is that the Republicans have brought the most in-your-face criminality i've ever heard of in a so-called Democracy. Eisenhower wasn't so great, he resided over the overthrow of Mossadeq in Iran for BP OIL and Churchill.

And the Democrats aren't all that much better, as of now they seem to be the most lilly-livered bunch of non-actors i could possibly have NOT hoped for.
Dennis Kuchinich a notable exception, and perhaps Russ Feingold, who said he didn't vote for the Patriot Act "because i read it".
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If this were 1700, they'd be saying: "Since civilization began, slavery has existed. It's human nature." I would have believed it. If 1800: "Women will never vote. They are not born rational". I would have believed it.
2006: Make war irrelevant

bernadene December 29, 2006 - 6:14pm

oh man via Crooks and Liars...he was delicious



"you can disagree without being disagreeable" ~ Gerald Ford

Tina December 28, 2006 - 9:40pm

I can't get this video clip out of my head. When did we lose our sense of humour in politics?



"you can disagree without being disagreeable" ~ Gerald Ford

Tina December 28, 2006 - 10:29pm

It's only when they die that it's even possible an arsehole or even an average human being becomes totally perfect. I've never understood the need for those who live to lie about those who died as if they never existed as a person. That's totally creepy and weird in my mind.

Ford is no exception. He was a human being that made mistakes but now that he's dead, he was not a human being that made mistakes. It's like a high speed trip to fairy tale land. LOL!

SilverOwl December 28, 2006 - 10:06pm

NYT, By Scott Shane, Dec 29

WASHINGTON, Dec. 28 — President Gerald R. Ford was never one for second-guessing, but for many years after leaving office in 1977, he carried in his wallet a scrap of a 1915 Supreme Court ruling. A pardon, the excerpt said, “carries an imputation of guilt,” and acceptance of a pardon is “a confession of it.”

Mr. Ford’s decision to pardon Richard M. Nixon for any crimes he might have been charged with because of Watergate is seen by many historians as the central event of his 896-day presidency. It also appears to have left him with an uncharacteristic need for self-justification, though friends say he never wavered in his insistence that the pardon was a wise and necessary act and that it had not resulted from any secret deal with his disgraced predecessor.

“I must have talked to him 20 times about the pardon, and there was never a shred of doubt that he’d done the right thing,” said James Cannon, a Ford domestic policy adviser and author of a 1994 book about his presidency. During one of their discussions, Mr. Ford pulled out the 1915 clipping, from Burdick v. United States. “It was a comfort to him,” Mr. Cannon said. “It was legal justification that he was right.”

Over the last three decades, as emotions have cooled, many who were initially critical of the pardon have come to share Mr. Ford’s judgment that it was the best way to stanch the open wound of Watergate. In 2001, a bipartisan panel selected Mr. Ford as recipient of the Profile in Courage Award from the John F. Kennedy Library, singling out for praise his pardon decision, which Mr. Ford later said he believed was a major factor in his failure to win election to the presidency in 1976.

In a 2004 interview with Bob Woodward, reported Thursday night on The Washington Post’s Web site, Mr. Ford offered another, less lofty motive for the pardon: his friendship with Nixon, which lasted for two decades after the pardon and which letters show was closer than publicly understood.

“I had no hesitancy about granting the pardon,” Mr. Ford told Mr. Woodward, “because I felt that we had this relationship and that I didn’t want to see my real friend have the stigma.”

Raja December 29, 2006 - 8:26am

his pardon of Nixon was not fair. and that's why he lost the election.

and now that it's revealed it was because he was a friend, it's even creepier.

If this were 1700, they'd be saying: "Since civilization began, slavery has existed. It's human nature." I would have believed it. If 1800: "Women will never vote. They are not born rational". I would have believed it.
2006: Make war irrelevant

bernadene December 29, 2006 - 5:21pm

i get yours. i disagree with it.

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If this were 1700, they'd be saying: "Since civilization began, slavery has existed. It's human nature." I would have believed it. If 1800: "Women will never vote. They are not born rational". I would have believed it.
2006: Make war irrelevant

bernadene December 29, 2006 - 6:37pm

L I F E I S N O T F A I R ! If you have not already done so I recommend the writings of Rene Girard... peace+best wishes for you for 2007.
<"Are we at the terminus of a civilization, a culture, that staggers on the edge of extinction?" - hattip usda at CE.

Graham December 29, 2006 - 8:19pm

Vice President Cheney Hails Ford's Pardon of Nixon in Funeral Service at U.S. Capitol Rotunda

By Calvin Woodward and Jeff Wilson

WASHINGTON Dec 30, 2006 (AP)— The nation honored Gerald R. Ford in funeral ceremonies Saturday that recalled the touchstones of his life, from combat in the Pacific to a career he cherished in Congress to a presidency he did not seek. He was remembered as the man called to heal the country from the trauma of Watergate.

Ford's decision to pardon Richard Nixon, so divisive at the time that it probably cost him the 1976 election, was dealt with squarely in his funeral services by his old chief of staff, Vice President Dick Cheney.

"It was this man, Gerald R. Ford, who led our republic safely though a crisis that could have turned to catastrophe," said Cheney, speaking in the Capitol Rotunda where Ford's body rested. "Gerald Ford was almost alone in understanding that there can be no healing without pardon."

Hundreds of ordinary Americans lined up for a chance to view the closed, flag-draped casket of the 38th president late into the night and through the weekend. From teenagers in sweat shirts to mothers pushing infants in strollers, they flowed into the night in two steady streams along velvet ropes encircling the casket, pausing only for the periodic changing of the military guard standing watch.

Raja December 30, 2006 - 10:37pm

"It was this man, Gerald R. Ford, who led our republic safely though a crisis that could have turned to catastrophe," said Cheney, speaking in the Capitol Rotunda where Ford's body rested. "Gerald Ford was almost alone in understanding that there can be no healing without pardon."

Yes, that's something I've always thought about the Bush Administration - it is a forgiving, kindly administration that understands the healing properties of pardon.

Escher Sketch December 31, 2006 - 1:04am

In the 70s, Betty Ford really was a remarkably hip First Lady
by Joe in DC - 12/30/2006 10:21:00 PM

Take a look at some of the things Betty Ford said and did back in the 1970s. She really did speak her mind honestly. This was back in the days when there were normal Republicans. Betty Ford was not out of the mainstream of her party then. Imagine what the right wingers and theocrats would have done to her if they owned the GOP then like they do now:

Thrown into the role of first lady during a period of deep distrust in government, she fulfilled the role of honest arbiter of American family life and of the modern woman, speaking candidly on just about any subject she was asked about, both shocking and delighting the country.

She was a product and symbol of the cultural and political times — doing the Bump along the corridors of the White House, donning a mood ring, chatting on her CB radio with the handle First Mama — a housewife who argued passionately for equal rights for women, a mother of four who mused about drugs, abortion and premarital sex aloud and without regret.

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"you can disagree without being disagreeable" ~ Gerald Ford

Tina December 31, 2006 - 11:05am

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