How President Obama Got Us Here


As this is my first post, a hello would be in order. So hello. Thanks to SPK for allowing me to add my thoughts to this blog. Hopefully, it will be as cathartic for you as it is for me.

I have the benefit of being a DC insidery kinda guy, but also a progressive. One who has spent much of the last year outraged. Every time I want to like Obama, and get back aboard the train, he does something else to remind me of the moment we had, the once-in-a-generation chance after conservatism had been so discredited, with his majorities in Congress and the excitement that accampanied his election. What got me even more perturbed yesterday was when I read about his taking a trip out to Ohio, seemingly to pressure off-the-reservation Democrats from the right (Rep. Boccieri) and left (Kucinich) to vote for a health care bill that I support with great trepidation and regret, thinking what could have been.

Why does this bother me so much? Because it was President Obama's unwillingness to use this very tactic against Republicans that has gotten us to this place. You may remember, back in the heady months of early '09, when the debate was on over a stimulus bill. It was quite clear he'd get almost no Republican support, and Democrats were just short of a filibuster-proof majority.

So what do you do if your approval rating is in the mid-70s to low 80s, while you're still enjoying your honeymoon? What you do is invite the Republican Senators in from the states you won (Snowe, Collins, Specter [was still a GOPer], Voinovich, Martinez, Lugar, and probably a few others I am forgetting), which also happen to be some of the more "moderate" Republicans in the Senate. You let them know you want to work with them, you will even prioritize working with them on issue important to their states when possible, but you must have, at the very least, 90% of the stimulus package you want. If not, you are going to show up in their states, and blame them for joblessness, lack of health care coverage, etc. And you can do it, because in most cases you are more popular then they are at home.

That would have set a tone.

What did Obama do? He chopped out large portions of spending. He converted needed spending to tax cuts (42%). And worst of all, he legitimized that bipartisanship was not just a preference, but an end goal in of itself, instead of sound legislation.

Thank God none of this came back to haunt this White House in the future...


Aurelius March 16, 2010 - 4:15pm

Or is this an excuse for his inactions?

Synoia March 16, 2010 - 4:57pm

He's a wonderful orator who said all the right things in the campaign, or almost all. I wonder what happened to his political skills. Or is it the team around him?

Numerian March 16, 2010 - 5:18pm

words mean something

Tina March 16, 2010 - 5:37pm

Money Talks and Bullshit Walks.

Synoia March 16, 2010 - 5:54pm

it is a number of strategic choices. Hard to say if they will ultimately prove successful.

I think that Aurelius makes a good point that Obama has made "Bipartisanship" the end goal, rather than just a preferred result.

The question is, how long will this failed attempt at building consensus continue? My suspicion is that it has been partly an attempt based on idealism and partly a strategy to out the opposition as obstructionist.

Numerian, you ask a great question. Where have his political skills gone? I think we will either see some major shift in tactics around election time and just beyond, or we will have a definitive answer that Obama is just an empty suit who lacks any real political savvy.

Maybe the gloves will come off later, rather than sooner. We all know what a short attention span and memory the general populace has.

I still think that Obama is too smart and too poor an actor to be a complete fraud. But I have been wrong before.

Gannon March 16, 2010 - 8:20pm

It seems like the wind left Obama's sails just after he was elected. Can you, Aurelius, think of any events that changed his course? Senator Kennedy's death?

Joaquin March 16, 2010 - 6:02pm

Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act into law

Signed the stimulus package into law

Banned enhanced interrogation techniques

Restored funding to overseas family planning organizations

Restored funding for stem-cell research

Oversaw the banking rescue

Oversaw material interventions in the U.S. car industry

Successfully nominated Sonia Sotomayor for the Supreme Court

Greenlit California car-emission standards

Refocused U.S spending on Green initiatives. More capital devoted to sustainable energy in 2009, than the prior 50 years combined

Advanced the U.S. withdrawal from Iraq

Reinforced the U.S. commitment to fighting terrorists in Afghanistan/Pakistan. By spring 2010 more identified al qaeda and taliban leadership has been captured or killed than in the prior six years of Bush Presidency

Took steps toward resetting the tone of U.S. relations with the Arab world

Ordered the release of “the torture memos”

This week will likely pass health insurance reform. The first US President with such an accomplishment in US history

Regulating on greenhouse gas emissions from power plants and refineries through the EPA

Obama signed executive orders to shut down the Guantanamo Bay terrorist detention center within a year

Highest percentage of legislative accomplishment since LBJ in his first year in office.

But hey, why go against the MSM narrative.

Scotjen61 March 16, 2010 - 6:08pm

Or, to put it another way, he moved us away from the hard right to the center right. What kind of bizarro world do we live in when closing Guantanamo and banning torture are considered some kind of radical gestures? Even reasonable Republicans are against those things. You list several programs that he simply "restored". Those aren't new victories. Sotomayor is hardly a radical voice for the left. The Green initiatives are half-assed and are not nearly aggressive enough to seriously do anything about our climate and resource problems. The only reason we are leaving Iraq is because there is no there left to kill. But yeah, at least he was instrumental in orchestrating the largest giveaway of taxpayer money to corporate banking interests in History. I guess I'll give him a win on that one.

Disconcerted March 16, 2010 - 6:30pm

Advanced the U.S. withdrawal from Iraq

2007 Promise: Obama says he would withdraw from Iraq by end-2008 k I'm waiting.

Joaquin March 16, 2010 - 6:41pm

He wasn't in OFFICE until January 2009. His whole campaign he said the goal was to transition out of Iraq by the end of 2010. At the very least know when a President takes office.

This is my number one complaint with this site so I really appreciate a new contributor. I so miss Ian

Scotjen61 March 16, 2010 - 7:37pm

There are people at places like RAND that he can use as a National Security Advisor. He should have known the impracticalities of withdrawal for Iraq in 2007 when he said it would be done in 2008. The fact is that the US will never withdraw; they can't as long as US oil companies have significant investment in Iraq's oil fields, which they will have for at least two more decades. Two decades is the schedule for withdrawal.

Joaquin March 17, 2010 - 4:30pm

if you by into this Obama "how much he has done crap!" This corporate whore/slut is nothing more than War Criminal....LIAR of the highest degree....and the Ultimate Con-Man! In short, he's a f**king FRAUD! Pure and simple!

ProgressiveDem March 16, 2010 - 6:54pm

Very well presented. Is there a tea party near you? Got some cardboard?

I know now I get a warning for calling out how stupid someone is.

Scotjen61 March 16, 2010 - 7:40pm

A little civility?

I think that you might get your point across better without calling people idiots.

Some people look at the glass as half empty, some look at as half full. Both can be true. It is just a matter of opinion

Gannon March 16, 2010 - 8:23pm

Note what I am responding to relative to what I posted before. A grunt would have been enough.

Scotjen61 March 16, 2010 - 8:38pm

Gannon's comment appears to have been directed at your interlocutor, not yourself.


"The best-informed man is not necessarily the wisest. Indeed there is a danger that precisely in the multiplicity of his knowledge he will lose sight of what is essential."

- Dietrich Bonhoeffer

Escher Sketch March 16, 2010 - 8:57pm

So then Guantanamo is abandoned? I musta missed the news. Could you get any fuzzier than the phrase, "Advanced the U.S. withdrawal from Iraq"? Let me know when we abandon those big bases we built.

I wouldn't mind having you point out what the Taliban ever did to the United States. Have you considered that organizations are capable of replacing leadership? Perhaps we could talk about whether Afghanistan is more secure (from the perspective of Afghans) than it was before the Great O came on stage?

"Took steps toward resetting the tone of U.S. relations with the Arab world" Nice words, no doubt. I still wouldn't want to be invited to a Muslim wedding.

Oooh, you left out started another undeclared war in The Yemen.

"More capital devoted to sustainable energy in 2009, than the prior 50 years combined" Some is better than nothing, i guess.

"Banned enhanced interrogation techniques" What, you don't want to use the word torture? Why not. More importantly, can you prove that torture has stopped or are we just taking him on his word.

Seriously, that health care bill is a huge pile of shit. He didn't even have the guts to go after the monopoly status of the insurance companies...only to force us to buy their product and ask them to be nice to us so long as it's still really profitable.

I don't feel like hitting every piece of propaganda on your list, but it's as laughable as this President.

Thanks for playing.

Lex March 16, 2010 - 7:29pm

Obama signed executive orders to shut down the Guantanamo Bay terrorist detention center within a year

YAY!

Wikipedia:

President Barack Obama issued a Presidential Memorandum dated December 15, 2009 ordering the preparation of the Thomson Correctional Center, Thomson, Illinois so as to enable the transfer of Guantanamo prisoners there.

Oh... they're going somewhere else. Well, at least Guantanamo is being shut down, right?

Glenn Greenwald:

In his May "civil liberties" speech cynically delivered at the National Archives in front of the U.S. Constitution, Obama announced that he would seek from Congress a law authorizing and governing the President's power to imprison detainees indefinitely and without charges. But in September, the administration announced he changed his mind: rather than seek a law authorizing these detentions, he would instead simply claim that Congress already "implicitly" authorized these powers when it enacted the 2001 AUMF against Al Qaeda -- thereby, as The New York Times put it, "adopting one of the arguments advanced by the Bush administration in years of debates about detention policies."

NY Times, Jan. 2010

The Obama administration has decided to continue to imprison without trials nearly 50 detainees at the Guantánamo Bay military prison in Cuba because a high-level task force has concluded that they are too difficult to prosecute but too dangerous to release, an administration official said on Thursday.

Back to Greenwald:

The Washington Post says that these decisions "represent the first time that the administration has clarified how many detainees it considers too dangerous to release but unprosecutable because officials fear trials could compromise intelligence-gathering and because detainees could challenge evidence obtained through coercion." Once that rationale is accepted, it necessarily applies not only to past detainees but future ones as well: the administration is claiming the power to imprison whomever it wants without charges whenever it believes that -- even in the face of the horrendously broad "material support for terrorism" laws the Congress has enacted -- it cannot prove in any tribunal that the individual has actually done anything wrong. They are simply decreed by presidential fiat to be "too dangerous to release." Perhaps worst of all, it converts what was once a leading prong in the radical Bush/Cheney assault on the Constitution -- the Presidential power to indefinitely imprison people without charges -- into complete bipartisan consensus, permanently removed from the realm of establishment controversy.

Ok, but aside from those massive concerns about the rule of law and basic rights within our nation... At least the detainees that they're sending to the new Illinois facility will receive trials and be treated in accordance with our laws? Right? They're not going to another Guantanamo...

Greenwald, elsewhere:

The Obama administration announced today that it will create a new "supermax" facility in Thomson, Illinois, and will transfer to it many of the detainees currently held at Guantanamo. Critically, none of those moved to Thomson will receive a trial in a real American court, and some will not be charged with any crime at all. The detainees who will be given trials won't go to Thomson; they'll be moved directly to the jurisdiction where they'll be tried. The ones moved to Thomson will either (a) be put before a military commission or (b) held indefinitely without charges of any kind. In other words, they'll have exactly the same rights -- or lack thereof -- as they have now at Guantanamo.

And now, to adopt the snarky, self-congratulatory, disdainful tone that you've decided to permanently use here Scotjen: Must I go on? Must I refute or add the necessary caveats to every single thing in your list? If I had the time I probably would, but I'm not responsible for your education. And if you want to keep complaining about the views and opinions of the commenters here, you should probably do some more research. Your list is just as "information free" (which seems to be your complaint with this blog and the person/people who run it) as any other post around here.

Bolo March 16, 2010 - 9:45pm

The one person in Congress who is willing to stick up for the left and the Obama administration and their minions like Kos are willing to throw him under the bus.

Joaquin March 16, 2010 - 7:37pm

I'd be more appreciative of Kucinich if his sticking up for the left had ever resulted in anything concrete...

creativelcro March 16, 2010 - 7:54pm

it is just not surprising anymore

Tina March 16, 2010 - 7:55pm

I love Kucinich. His principled stand on virtually everything endears me to him.

While the pressure being placed on him is a bit rough, I think that the attention and the newfound leverage could be good for him. In fact, I think he is inviting a dialog by being so adamant in his opposition to Healthcare reform as it stands. Hopefully he can parlay this into some useful concessions.

An all or nothing approach may or may not be the way to proceed with Healthcare reform, I really don't know. What I do know is that there is influence to be gained by the Dems who oppose.

Gannon March 16, 2010 - 10:39pm

Aurelius,

I'm sure you are a nice guy, but as a DC insider, you're just a cabin boy on the Titanic.

It was full steam ahead under GWB and hit the iceberg when they paid off the banks.

So now it's one final bubble to beat all bubbles, of sovereign debt.

Today the tea partiers and Ron Paul still look a bit kooky, but by 2012 those independents who took a flier on Obama are going to be in full pitchfork and torch mode.

It is as Carville put it; All about the economy.

And Paul is right about the Fed being the source of this problem even if he is off the wall about many other things. When you have a debt based currency, the inclination to create ever more debt and therefore wealth, is irresistible.

Everyone whines about the government spending too much money, but it's designed that way. They don't have a budgeting process, they have a spending process. The only way to get anything passed is to promise enough legislators enough goodies to vote for their bills and the President can only pass or veto them. Of course overriding a veto is mostly a matter of increasing the promises. The result is that the government overspends and government debt is the foundation of our currency.

It would be a simple matter to create a budgeting system which actually budgeted. For example, break the bills into their constituent items, then have every legislator assign a percentage value to each one. Reassemble the bill in order of preference and have the president draw the line at what will be funded. (The buck stops here.)
This would divide responsibility, with the legislature setting priorities and the president deciding what can be afforded. The percentage system would give legislators the ability to fine tune their granting of favors to lobbyists and trading with other legislators, but it would all be graded on a curve anyway.

Of course, our economic system would collapse without the steady growth of government debt.

Oh, wait! Our economy is about to implode under the weight of runaway debt anyway!

What the politicians and the people need to understand is that money is not an effective store of value. It is drawing rights on community productivity and its value is derived from that productivity and that makes it a form of public medium, like a road system. You own you house, car business, etc, but not the roads connecting them. Money has a similar function. We like to think of it as a form of property, but that encourages hoarding and eventually the excess stores of money far exceed the productive capacity of the economy and the system collapses. Often to the extreme detriment of the government in charge.

The problem with creating a stable monetary system is that tendency towards excess. Either by politicians directly controlling it and creating inflation as they issue excesses in order to maintain power, or by bankers over extending credit to increase their own profits.

Some ideas: For one thing, if we were to accept that the monetary system really is the public utility that it is, it would have two effects. Hoarding it wouldn't be nearly as tolerated as it currently is, but also people would be much more careful what value they drained out of social and environmental resources in the first place. We all like and need roads, but there is little inclination to pave more than we must. This would leave much space for other, more organic exchanges and stores of value to develop, rather than everything drain of all value in order to put it in a bank. We could start having real communities again.

Also, if we are going to have a publicly supported currency, then we need a public banking system. That's the duplicity of central banking: The public is responsible for maintaining the value of the currency, but private banks reap the rewards of managing it. What if the police and courts treated their responsibilities the way the banks treat theirs? There are places like that and it isn't pretty.

Like democracy, a public banking system would work best from the bottom up, with local banks supporting their own communities and serving as board for state and regional banking systems, in something of a parliamentary system.

These local, organic communities wouldn't need as much Federal largesse, reducing the need for deficit spending.

This might sound funny to someone who knows what is going on, but that ship is sinking and the life boats are much smaller.

brodix March 16, 2010 - 7:38pm

A punitive tax structure would go a long way toward making sure that the amount of hoarded money does not exceed productive capacity. Ron Paul's understanding of money and economics is suspect. He says that money itself is debt. His criticisms of the Fed are valid to a point, but he doesn't want to bring the fed under congressional control, he wants to abolish it altogether. We do need a public banking system, but some of the tea party issues with money are non-issues.

Disconcerted March 16, 2010 - 8:13pm

since investing means loaning it to someone else. The problem is that when we lose sight of the simple fact that the law of supply and demand applies to capital, with lender as supply and borrower as demand, the tendency is to create the illusion of wealth by creating artificial demand for it, either through the government borrowing it for eternity, creating enormous bubbles of excess circulation, or lowering loan standards. Social security and the privatization issue is a good example of the problem. Where would that money be invested otherwise. The fact that what get collected is spent on current recipients removes the whole problem of how to invest it for future recipients. In the past, people took care of their elders in the assumption their children would do the same. Now we use a national wealth transfer program. If we were to develop a more locally based economy, then these relationships would be local.

brodix March 17, 2010 - 1:09pm

When you mentioned money as a public utility, it seemed familiar and then I recalled I'd seen it at Global Research. We're so far upside down, this proposal or something as radical (by current standards) needs to be implemented or we're headed for a social death cycle. Here's my question. How would you deal with the distortions in accumulated wealth in this country? I can't see how anything works as long as the vast accumulation of wealth by the top 1% is allowed to stand. Maybe the program discussed takes care of that. It is a central question. Thanks.

Michael Collins March 16, 2010 - 11:07pm

If you don't like the current system, it's a long term plus to have those in control destroying it.

What we have with Obama is zombie government. They are going through the motions, but the situation is already terminal.

As for those with lots of money and power, that power rests on a system of contracts which they are methodically destroying out of unbridled greed. There will always be economic convection cycles of rising and falling fortunes. What we have had has been an economic hurricane that has been building for several centuries, as those controlling the medium of exchange used it to siphon off as much wealth as possible. Suffice to say, they have let their copyright run out. Political power started as private initiative and became institutionalized as monarchy. Who, three hundred years ago, thought monarchy would ever succumb to successful "mob rule?" If we can make political power a public trust, then making money a public utility shouldn't be impossible.
The question will be what comes next and I think we are already seeing that, with the moves to take deposits from the big banks and put it in credit unions, as well as the move to have states start their own banks, using their tax receipts as initial collateral.
This isn't to say the idea of wealth and that of individuals controlling wealth would vanish, but it would be like political power. They would understand it has to be for some greater benefit and not just their own self aggrandizement. There would still be the need for personal saving, etc. We just have to understand that the ability of the economy to absorb savings is no more infinite than the ability to support unproductive expenditures. If we don't respect limits, reality will impose them on us.

It really boils down to understanding money as the social contract it is, not the illusion we want it to be.

brodix March 17, 2010 - 1:34pm

The frustration of Obama's squandered talents is ongoing. I even catch myself, on rare occasion, thinking, "If only ..."

But then I go back to a discussion just before the primaries started. I asked someone who should know, "Who Wall Street wanted for president?" I was told, Obama, since they knew that things were going to Hell and they needed a media-genic figure to hold the people at bay while they took care of themselves. When Obama came back to rescue the bailouts during the campaign, I knew this was correct but still had a sliver of hope. But when Geithner and Summers showed up, I had this awful recollection of that pre-primary discussion. He's an enabler of the greatest bailout of entrenched wealth in the history of this country.

Like you, I was taken by the style of Obama's Ohio appearance. He has all the moves whenever he calls them up. But a couple of other thoughts occurred to me. He was there, in part, to go after Kucinich. Dennis' standing went even higher in my estimation when I saw that. He also featured the woman struggling with cancer treatment. I watched long enough to hear someone actually ask the president how the woman would have benefited form his plan. He hauled out that tired canard about the big insurance pools and the insurance exchange. My God! That was one of the most cynical statements I've ever seen. That was beyond the pale and people are picking up on it.

Obama has failed. He's ignored the 300 million to the benefit of the 10,000 investment bankers and their big firms who took $150 billion for their fine work in 2009. That's his legacy and it's a truly pathetic one.

Michael Collins March 16, 2010 - 7:44pm

Here is the problem with reform as it has been discussed by all the Democrats. The problem is that no health care reform can take place until the we change the way health care is monetized. The current system of monetization pays, in a very lopsided way, for procedures. The only procedure that a general practitioner can perform is a Vasectomy; which, comprise a major part of general practitioner's income. The people who are the real "feet on the ground" are pushing Vasectomies so they can pay off their student loans; its not uncommon for a general practitioner to owe $2 million in student loans. Meanwhile, a specialist can earn 10X a general practitioner's salary. We cannot provide wider access to health care without doctors; they have to be payed what they are worth and they need a proper education that does not overburden them with loans.

The simple solution would be to Nationalize health care and provide scholarships for Doctors. We have a national system of roads and bridges; we can have national health care. The health insurance companies had their chance, killed a lot of Americans, bankrupted, and imposed needless suffering on many more. The health insurance companies must go away.

Joaquin March 16, 2010 - 8:03pm

First off, welcome to the Agonist. I don't know how long you've been reading here, but if you are a frustrated progressive you'll fit right in. Just be sure to bring your flame retardant underwear (being a DC insider has perks and disadvantages online) ;)

Anyway, I wanted to ask your opinion on the state of the health care debate. Specifically, I'm right on the fences for whether its better if this bill passes or not. So if this bill dies, is that the end? Will the Dems go running for the hills, or will Obama push his non-mandate, HCR-lite fallback plan? Because honestly I would prefer that to anything that has a mandate and no PO for cost control. If the Dems will scatter and hide though, I suppose this bill is better than nothing, it may be a start as people say (I don't know, deep reservations about our ability to get any more reform after the companies have their brass ring in hand.) What do you think about all this and what is the best possible scenario progressives can push for right now?

Maybe this is a good topic for a second post at the Agonist?

zot23 March 16, 2010 - 8:16pm

... upon gaining office he (all) was told in clear, respectful, firm tones that while he is the President, he will only be so for a short while. And oh, all that stuff you thought you knew about what was going on, and why? Sit down. Here's the real story. Please don't get the idea your more than passing through.

There's always a disconnect between what seems like good sense to those on the outside looking in, and the actions taken (or not) by those with the real power.

I'm not talking about tinfoil hat stuff, just that forces at play aren't always obvious (for good reason), and the where's-and-why-for's that explain current circumstances can be best understood by such things as highly classified information and heretofore unrevealed detail.

Neither am I trying to excuse. There's just so much BS floating, so much analysis that with hindsight appears worthless in the making, it seems the only reason can be a lack of substantial and relevant data.

Which, of course, leads to much speculation and wacky theories attempting to explain. Like mine, for instance.

ww March 16, 2010 - 8:18pm

Thanks for the food for thought.

I understand your frustration. I too expected a lot more from Obama and I was never expecting more that a return to a moderate Administration.

The bank bailout hit me in the gut so hard that I almost shit my pants.
I still don't like to talk about it.

Healthcare is something I have much smaller expectation for, as any change is going against the grain of a monster industry.
Spending his political capital early on would have been far more effective but the hammer fell with the financial collapse and much of that capital evaporated, even if it was not yet tracked.

I look forward to reading more from you in the future.

Gannon March 16, 2010 - 8:34pm

Always good to have another set of opinions and ideas around here. :)

Bolo March 16, 2010 - 9:51pm

Thanks so much for reading, welcoming me and all the comments. Even the attacks are nice. Nothing like a good debate.

To answer any questions I can:

1) Numerian - I think it is a combination of his seemingly constitutional inability to engage in a fight, along with the Rahmocratic insiders who somehow think that negotiating with oneself and getting 1/5 of a loaf without trying is better than exciting your base and Independents (and perhaps a few moderate Republicans) by taking on the bad guys

2) Gannon - Sadly, after observing for a year and hoping things would get better. No such luck. I just don't think he has it in him. I don't think he is a fraud, I just think he is uncomfortable fighting for anything, and has surrounded himself with some bad advisors who play to that. I could be wrong, and hope I am, but every day is a new story about something he has given in on.

3)Joaquin - I think he is given too much credit for the election. I remember more than a few times, being about to lose it as he and McCain we neck and neck when after 8 years of Bush and McCain's campaign, he should have been killing him. And why? Because he was never comfortable attacking McCain, and only seemed to be willing to define him and his ilk as a last resort. THen the financial crash, and the rest is history.

Once elected he did the same thing. He could have defined the problem: conservatism. He could have reminded everyone they bankrupted the country, greedy executives ruined our economy, and set the stage. Instead he didn't do that, and now he's being blamed for the economy and the debt.

4) Scotjen - Great list of accomplishments. And do you honestly think any Democrat couldn't have gotten that and 1000 times more done with conservatism in the crapper, the media in love with them because of their historic victory, and huge majorities. Yes, he is a Democrat, and so some good things have gotten done. But seriously, this was a once in a generation chance.

5) Zot23 - I think a more detailed post on this is forthcoming :). But right now, as I said, regretfully, I support this bill. It is not my favorite. A mandate without a public option is stupid. But some of the policy parts, such as outlawing rejection due to preexisting condition is going to help a lot of needy people. Also it is a start, which we can hopefully improve upon if it reminds people the government has some responsibilities in this area for those under 65. Finally, politically, this has to pass or God help us come midterms.

But once again, this is a crappy bill that only slightly improves things in my estimation, and we should have had so much more if Obama had shown a hint of a spine...

Think that's everyone...thanks again for all the comments once again!

Aurelius March 16, 2010 - 10:40pm

Your responses to everyone in the thread really fleshes out your original post.

As for your response to my comment, I hope you are wrong but I fear you are right. I am still holding on to a shred of hope until after the 2010 election.

I admit that I have had my head in the sand a bit on the growing list of disappointments. My complex theory of long game influence strategy is a grasping at straws and I know it. I just choose to be an optimist until the verdict is well and truly in.

Occam's razor favors your interpretation, I just don't feel like shaving yet ;)

Gannon March 16, 2010 - 11:19pm

This post and the flow of comments seem analogous to a married couple's having a heated argument, then making up afterward with great sex.

Well, SPK said to give you a warm welcome.


"All I know is just what I read in the newspapers." - Will Rogers

readr satx March 17, 2010 - 12:03am

Greetings Aurelius,
I am not so disappointed because I read somewhere in the progressive blogosphere well before the election that Obama would be a big disappointment to progressives. It may have come from Ian Welsh or Stirling Newberry.
I read elsewhere recently that this bill, flawed as it is, will establish the principle once and for all that the national government is responsible for health care delivery. So we don't get to the ideal system immmediately.
About Obama delivering on the Progressive wishlist.
We still live in a country where at least one third of the population is pathologically batshit insane and racist. I live in rural Virginia, Mother of Presidents, haha, and all my neighbors went out and bought guns and ammo to celebrate the Change They Believe In.
That might be the reason for taking things slowly...don't rattle the crazies too much. And if he wasn't so mellow, they would be calling him just another 'Angry Black Man' overtly.
I would be interested in your view about his reversal of the Bush legacy of deep seeding the Federal bureaucracy with right wing ideologues and/or incompetents. Does that appear to be happening?

JT March 17, 2010 - 12:12am

I look forward to more posts and spirited discussions like this one.

Joaquin March 17, 2010 - 12:38am

Look at what the Dems did and did not do after 2006: they never stopped Bush at all. Almost none of them can stand up for what they believe in. And I am constantly puzzled by this. My only option is to believe that they are simply bought off by the same folks as the 'pubs so they cannot come out with the clear truth.

Zman1527 March 17, 2010 - 10:39am

great post Aurelius! I, too, am disappointed at Obama and frustrated with the general lack of backbone that seems to characterize Democratic "leadership" these days.
Maybe Obama will wake up and realize the "can't we all be friends" ploy only plays into the hands of the Repubs

joe in oklahoma March 17, 2010 - 11:48am

It all looks to me as though advertising has completely swallowed policy in the professional political class. Obama said in the campaign that he admired Reagan, the cowboy actor who spent the end of his career as a corporate spokesman. That seems to be how Obama defines himself -- as the actor who fronts corporations. The relationship between his words and the policies that his administration accepts is like the relationship between a Coke ad and the actual drink. It's all about emotion and lifestyle, and only puritan weirdos think about the product in any other terms. And when this ad campaign wears out, roll out a new one just before the next election. That's just the job.

nihil obstet March 17, 2010 - 12:04pm

use.

jawbone2 March 17, 2010 - 6:32pm

What I question is to what extent that translates even to other progressives.

For one thing, the import of the health care accomplishment needs to be recognized. No President has done this and many many have tried. FDR could not even accomplish this legislative achievement.

Also the argument that the health care accomplishment is meaningless, is spurious and an outright falsehood - if the legislation is understood, and folks take the time to look. It brings insurance to 96% of the population, it provides $1 trillion in revenues as a subsidy to middle class families (and I have seen the specific calculations regarding the benefit and it is huge), it eliminates exclusion for pre-existing conditions, it removes lifetime caps, it provides insurance for those who cannot get insurance through any mechanism (mostly folks in their 50s), it provides full coverage of children, creates competition, and holds loss ratios to 85% for insurers (averaging 65% today). That is the start, the beginning of this proposal.

As far as progressive support: Move On supports this legislation to the tune of 83% of its members, Daily KOS and their membership supports this legislation, Howard Dean has given his support and even led a rally in Washington DC for its passage a few days ago. Dennis Kucinich has announced his yes vote this morning and gave a very good explanation. In fact Move On has so far raised over $1 million to use to run against Democrats who oppose this legislation, and they have been actively creating a Primary opponent to those representatives opposed to this legislation. Hardly lukewarm support.

From an economic standpoint, I have resigned myself to the fact no one will ever understand the depths of the crisis of last year. So be it. But the recovery from that crisis, potentially worse than the Great Depression because of its global extent and possibilities was nothing less than legendary and someday will be fully understood and recognized. That Obama could marshall a near $1 trillion recover package in 60 days, barely time to unpack the furniture, is also amazing.

As far as bipartisanship, that is the key to the current success. The process being used today can be used because the argument is laid that the conservatives were not serious in bipartisanship. I am one of those who believes a President is head of the country and not head of their party. That is a difference here relative to Europe or Canada, and Obama understands that difference and I respect that view. That those from outside the US don't understand that, I also understand. It is a critical position, that insures long term and not just short term success.

Oh and I failed to mention the jobs bill going to his desk at this moment.

So there is some context.

Scotjen61 March 17, 2010 - 12:11pm

You know, I'm sorry, but you really sound like some sort of sound bites propagandist sent from DNC to contain damage. So many talking points. So little acknowledgment of what people here are saying. You sound like you have a mission and an axe to grind.

Take for instance this "accomplishment," which you take pains to describe as an "accomplishment" over and over again, as though by some Rovian suggestion technique, that saying it over and over again will get the ball rolling. It guarantees private insurance companies millions more customers, and uses the IRS and the US government as enforcement if you don't purchase that insurance. Mission accomplished!

It brings new taxes to health insurance packages that unions negotiated. Mission accomplished!

It prolongs the "miracle of the marketplace" where everything crosses borders but the cheap import drugs people need to survive. Even the drugs that are made overseas. Mission accomplished!

You now, if this "mission accomplished" was so great, why doesn't it take effect until after the next presidential election? Because it will be vastly, hugely, massively unpopular and the press, the insurance companies, the pharmaceutical industry, and the bought-and-paid-for press will be able to say . . . "you've had years to prepare for this! why didn't you?"

And for this they attack Dennis Kucinich? You know what? To hell with Obama. He has earned my everlasting emnity. I will do everything in my power to make sure he never accomplishes anything. You know why? He's not fit to govern. He's attacking the wrong people. His policies are right wing. Why would I want him to accomplish that? He's betrayed his supporters, his party, and he's going down. He's going to get primaried, and he's going to lose, or he'll lose the next election. The Democrats are toast because people like me can and will leave. This country is lost, lost, lost when Democrats have the House, the Senate, the White House, and still can't do what's right or even find their asses with both hands.

Jonathryn March 17, 2010 - 4:05pm

Absolutely.

hvd March 17, 2010 - 4:46pm

as the recovery after the dotcom bubble. Drop interest rates and watch the speculators drive the price of assets up, bidding against each other, with low interest credit. Everyone hoping they get out just before the bubble pops, yet all addicted to the adrenaline rush. Now multiply that by a few orders of magnitude and you have the current situation, given these speculators know all the governments are throwing everything possible in the pot.

brodix March 17, 2010 - 10:40pm

but Obama did not change

he was the same cautious pol in the Senate

jwp March 17, 2010 - 9:52pm

What is Obama's next act? Is he going to try distracting people with reforming nochildleftbehind, while Geithner and Bernanke are still trying to jumpstart the economy in the background?

There are various discussions going on on blogs like naked capitalism and Zero Hedge about how to really reform the financial system and the economy, as well as The Huffington Post putting up some of Ellen Brown's articles. After this stupid health care debate is over, there are going to be a lot of disappointed progressives who are going to be looking beyond Obama and I suspect they are going to form a left wing version of the tea party movement and it's going to start coalescing around various ideas and people. They are the ones who will be the new world order, after this mess completely blows up.
The future maybe formless, but it is implacable.

brodix March 17, 2010 - 10:31pm

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