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Assange arrested and detained by the Brits on the Swedish Warrant…

Assange has been arrested minutes ago by British authorities. The arrest was based on the Swedish warrant for sexual misconduct and rape.
I guess we’ll see the s&*t hit the fan now.

59 comments to Assange arrested and detained by the Brits on the Swedish Warrant…

  • Celsius 233

    …The U.S. is a powerful adversary and has many governments under thumb, so it’s not surprising Julian Assange was arrested. The full fury of the U.S. will likely be leashed upon Assange to crush and destroy he who dared go against empire. My fervent hope is that some will see the insanity exemplified here and at least make sure there is justice and not a lynching.


    Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them,and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows,or with both~FDouglas

  • Celsius 233

    …shame on me. Our march toward fascism is relentless and the dead living who call themselves “Americans/Democracies” are the sleepers and will die thus.


    Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them,and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows,or with both~FDouglas

  • steeleweed

    If he is seriously threatened with prison time, his ‘insurance policy’ will kick in and the revelations in that are reputed to make everything released so far seem innocuous.

    I also wonder if Wikileaks will survive without him – there’s an big dose of ego in the whole process and the rest of the crew might lack that. But even if WL is crushed, it’s too late – the toothpaste can’t be put back in the tube. There will be others, better prepared to resist governmental attacks as they see how the repression is done.

  • graham

    The Australian December 08, 2010 12:00AM
    ______________________________________

    IN 1958 a young Rupert Murdoch, then owner and editor of Adelaide’s The News, wrote: “In the race between secrecy and truth, it seems inevitable that truth will always win.”

    His observation perhaps reflected his father Keith Murdoch’s expose that Australian troops were being needlessly sacrificed by incompetent British commanders on the shores of Gallipoli. The British tried to shut him up but Keith Murdoch would not be silenced and his efforts led to the termination of the disastrous Gallipoli campaign.

    Nearly a century later, WikiLeaks is also fearlessly publishing facts that need to be made public.

    I grew up in a Queensland country town where people spoke their minds bluntly. They distrusted big government as something that could be corrupted if not watched carefully. The dark days of corruption in the Queensland government before the Fitzgerald inquiry are testimony to what happens when the politicians gag the media from reporting the truth.

    These things have stayed with me. WikiLeaks was created around these core values. The idea, conceived in Australia , was to use internet technologies in new ways to report the truth.

    WikiLeaks coined a new type of journalism: scientific journalism. We work with other media outlets to bring people the news, but also to prove it is true. Scientific journalism allows you to read a news story, then to click online to see the original document it is based on. That way you can judge for yourself: Is the story true? Did the journalist report it accurately?

    Democratic societies need a strong media and WikiLeaks is part of that media. The media helps keep government honest. WikiLeaks has revealed some hard truths about the Iraq and Afghan wars, and broken stories about corporate corruption.

    People have said I am anti-war: for the record, I am not. Sometimes nations need to go to war, and there are just wars. But there is nothing more wrong than a government lying to its people about those wars, then asking these same citizens to put their lives and their taxes on the line for those lies. If a war is justified, then tell the truth and the people will decide whether to support it.

    If you have read any of the Afghan or Iraq war logs, any of the US embassy cables or any of the stories about the things WikiLeaks has reported, consider how important it is for all media to be able to report these things freely.

    WikiLeaks is not the only publisher of the US embassy cables. Other media outlets, including Britain ‘s The Guardian, The New York Times, El Pais in Spain and Der Spiegel in Germany have published the same redacted cables.

    Yet it is WikiLeaks, as the co-ordinator of these other groups, that has copped the most vicious attacks and accusations from the US government and its acolytes. I have been accused of treason, even though I am an Australian, not a US, citizen. There have been dozens of serious calls in the US for me to be “taken out” by US special forces. Sarah Palin says I should be “hunted down like Osama bin Laden”, a Republican bill sits before the US Senate seeking to have me declared a “transnational threat” and disposed of accordingly. An adviser to the Canadian Prime Minister’s office has called on national television for me to be assassinated. An American blogger has called for my 20-year-old son, here in Australia, to be kidnapped and harmed for no other reason than to get at me.

    And Australians should observe with no pride the disgraceful pandering to these sentiments by Prime Minister Gillard and US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have not had a word of criticism for the other media organisations. That is because The Guardian, The New York Times and Der Spiegel are old and large, while WikiLeaks is as yet young and small.

    We are the underdogs. The Gillard government is trying to shoot the messenger because it doesn’t want the truth revealed, including information about its own diplomatic and political dealings.

    Has there been any response from the Australian government to the numerous public threats of violence against me and other WikiLeaks personnel? One might have thought an Australian prime minister would be defending her citizens against such things, but there have only been wholly unsubstantiated claims of illegality. The Prime Minister and especially the Attorney-General are meant to carry out their duties with dignity and above the fray. Rest assured, these two mean to save their own skins. They will not.

    Every time WikiLeaks publishes the truth about abuses committed by US agencies, Australian politicians chant a provably false chorus with the State Department: “You’ll risk lives! National security! You’ll endanger troops!” Then they say there is nothing of importance in what WikiLeaks publishes. It can’t be both. Which is it?

    It is neither. WikiLeaks has a four-year publishing history. During that time we have changed whole governments, but not a single person, as far as anyone is aware, has been harmed. But the US , with Australian government connivance, has killed thousands in the past few months alone.

    US Secretary of Defence Robert Gates admitted in a letter to the US congress that no sensitive intelligence sources or methods had been compromised by the Afghan war logs disclosure. The Pentagon stated there was no evidence the WikiLeaks reports had led to anyone being harmed in Afghanistan . NATO in Kabul told CNN it couldn’t find a single person who needed protecting. The Australian Department of Defence said the same. No Australian troops or sources have been hurt by anything we have published.

    But our publications have been far from unimportant. The US diplomatic cables reveal some startling facts:

    The US asked its diplomats to steal personal human material and information from UN officials and human rights groups, including DNA, fingerprints, iris scans, credit card numbers, internet passwords and ID photos, in violation of international treaties. Presumably Australian UN diplomats may be targeted, too.

    King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia asked the US Officials in Jordan and Bahrain want Iran ‘s nuclear program stopped by any means available.

    Britain’s Iraq inquiry was fixed to protect “US interests”.

    Sweden is a covert member of NATO and US intelligence sharing is kept from parliament.

    The US is playing hardball to get other countries to take freed detainees from Guantanamo Bay . Barack Obama agreed to meet the Slovenian President only if Slovenia took a prisoner. Our Pacific neighbour Kiribati was offered millions of dollars to accept detainees.

    In its landmark ruling in the Pentagon Papers case, the US Supreme Court said “only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government”. The swirling storm around WikiLeaks today reinforces the need to defend the right of all media to reveal the truth.

    Julian Assange is the editor-in-chief of WikiLeaks.

  • Celsius 233

    …beyond his own persona. Certainly his place in history is assured.


    Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them,and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows,or with both~FDouglas

  • Celsius 233

    …thanks. You’ve expanded this thread in a very important way. Cheers.


    Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them,and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows,or with both~FDouglas

  • graham

    a turning point in civilisation/civilization. /b is maturing

  • Celsius 233

    …seminal event in the ending of U.S. foreign policy (as now practiced) and it’s domestic policies (as now practiced) as well. I fear it will be used as an excuse to further suppress/repress personal freedoms both in the U.S. and abroad; they now have a potential road map to destroy personal freedoms everywhere. We’re in the most frightening times I’ve experienced in my almost 66 years. Cheers.


    Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them,and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows,or with both~FDouglas

  • graham

    to find the world had changed whilst we slept. We all became US citizens that day. The failure of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars not to be replicas of South Africa and the Philippines have shown the bastion of freedom to be a failure.

    Over the next nine years the information flow has changed course. Now the powerful are discovering they are powerlessness in the face of an information flow that is diverse and multi-faceted.

    By focusing on Julian, they have revealed that they do not appreciate or understand that information is free and no longer can be twisted to suit the ideology of the day.

    Distant from the US I have not commented on the US domestic situation, but the US President has proved to be not so much an instrument of change and hope, but a figurehead of an empire in decline.

    Julian is offering a new world where perhaps

    Do you hear the people sing?
    Singing a song of angry men?
    It is the music of a people
    Who will not be slaves again!
    When the beating of your heart
    Echoes the beating of the drums
    There is a life about to start
    When tomorrow comes!
    Will you join in our crusade?
    Who will be strong and stand with me?
    Beyond the barricade
    Is there a world you long to see?
    Then join in the fight
    That will give you the right to be free!
    Do you hear the people sing?
    Singing a song of angry men?
    It is the music of a people
    Who will not be slaves again!
    When the beating of your heart
    Echoes the beating of the drums
    There is a life about to start
    When tomorrow comes!

    Tomorrow comes!

  • Celsius 233

    …thanks again for a great and enlightening contribution. Cheers.


    Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them,and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows,or with both~FDouglas

  • Celsius 233

    Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them,and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows,or with both~FDouglas

  • chalo

    whether there was a design to the “bad idea” of having Assange as an outspoken figurehead. Having him martyred (in one fashion or another) for the cause would be the strongest inspiration yet to step up the no-secrets movement to the next level.

    To extend a metaphor already mentioned by others: if Wikileaks is going to go down like Napster, I can’t wait to see what kind of BitTorrent lies in wait for those who hide from us the things they do in our names, at our expense.

  • JT

    Assange’s Swedish lawyer, referred to Big Brother in the West as the reason for the unusual procedures by the Swedish prosecutor for the charges against Assange. The honeypot trap was a typical technique of the KGB. I guess the Stieg Larsson books were accurate about the dark underbelly of corruption in the Swedish government.

  • zot23

    Arresting Assange, withholding bail, trumping up charges, trying to choke out Wikileak’s finances; this all has the stink of a codpiece show with “Mission Accomplished” waving gently in the background. Just like Iraq though, it was the start of the real fight, the fight all the king’s horses and all the king’s men couldn’t win. Assange jut invented the information IED, it takes a miniscule amount of material/cost to build one, but it has devestating effects on your adversaries. Best of all, they will spend billions upon billions of dollars trying to fight and prepare for the next one and never be able to stop it. As soon as the Wikileaks model spreads and develops, this game is as good as over. It will all be a matter of time, regardless of whether Assange spends time in jail or not (I think he won’t, the evidence is supremely weak.)

    Our govt is done, stick a fork in it.

  • Jimbo92107

    Just saying. People are loading bot software on their computers, in preparation for an info-war. I have seen the file.

    I recommend backing up your computers today. In fact, if you have more than one computer, back up the spare and then disconnect it from the internet and power.

    That’s what I’m doing.

    Also, if you downloaded Julian’s file, save it off to a pen drive. That might come in handy.
    .
    Cows get milked, rubes get bilked,
    And fat cats dine on fools and cream.

  • Jimbo92107

    Do you expect it to pop like a balloon? No matter what happens today, or tomorrow, our government will not just dry up and blow away. The same people that may be incriminated by Assange’s leaks will still be in position to block any justice that might come down on their heads.

    Do you really expect Dick Cheney to say, “Okay, ya got me, I’ll go to prison now.” After all, who has control of the US Supreme Court? The bad guys do.

    Sadly, this affair will probably result in little more than a reactionary crackdown by the government on internet access and freedom. “Net Neutrality” will be the inevitable victim of this “info-war.”

    Maybe I’ll feel better after a little breakfast…
    .
    Cows get milked, rubes get bilked,
    And fat cats dine on fools and cream.

  • Don

    The Atlantic

    Julian Assange and Pfc Bradley Manning have done a huge public service by making hundreds of thousands of classified U.S. government documents available on Wikileaks — and, predictably, no one is grateful. Manning, a former army intelligence analyst in Iraq, faces up to 52 years in prison. He is currently being held in solitary confinement at a military base in Quantico, Virginia, where he is not allowed to see his parents or other outside visitors.

    Assange, the organizing brain of Wikileaks, enjoys a higher degree of freedom living as a hunted man in England under the close surveillance of domestic and foreign intelligence agencies — but probably not for long. Not since President Richard Nixon directed his minions to go after Pentagon Papers leaker Daniel Ellsberg and New York Times reporter Neil Sheehan – “a vicious antiwar type,” an enraged Nixon called him on the Watergate tapes — has a working journalist and his source been subjected to the kind of official intimidation and threats that have been directed at Assange and Manning by high-ranking members of the Obama Administration…

    more at the link

    I did inhale.

  • Zman1527

    Now it is about Assange, and not the garbage that he exposed.

  • Zman1527

    WikiLeaks being used to justify Patriot Act legislation for Internet

    poorrichard’s blog
    Today, December 07, 2010, 7 minutes ago
    BREAKING: WikiLeaks Being Used to Justify “Patriot Act” Legislation For Internet
    Today, December 07, 2010, 7 minutes ago | noreply@blogger.com (poorrichard)Go to full article
    By Eric Blair at activistpost.com

    Senator Mitch McConnell called Assange a “high-tech terrorist” on NBC’s Meet the Press Sunday and said, “if it‘s found that Assange hasn’t violated the law, then the law should be changed.”

    Over the weekend, an insightful article by Zen Gardner exposed how WikiLeaks resembles an establishment creation. The article correctly pointed out that the WikiLeaks storyline was conforming nicely to the elite’s problem-reaction-solution method, with the solution of more tyranny for our safety.

    WikiLeaks is being used to bring in the agenda on so many levels, but most importantly by setting the precedent of shutting down websites for politically “dangerous” content. Gardner writes:

    After all, if information is now the enemy, we must carefully police any and every aspect of this dangerous medium — all for the safety and protection of ‘we the people.’

    Oh, we’ll still have the Internet, just like you can still fly. You’ll just have to be on the ‘approved’ list, screened, stamped, zapped, mugged and molested if you want to get ‘on the net.’ No biggie. Thanks Julian — job well done.

    First, let’s be clear, the 250,000 pages of cables amounted to some geopolitical Jerry Springer he-said-she-said nonsense to make countries look petty and stupid. They revealed nothing new that wasn’t already known or well suspected. The information simply stoked existing flames by airing geopolitical dirty laundry, nothing more — no secret weapons, no major arms deals, no tactical locations of troops, and no revealing the ID of secret agents, etc.

    Yet, the government has used its corporate muscle to illegally limit access to WikiLeaks. It was recently revealed that Amazon, the server host for WikiLeaks, caved to political pressure to drop the website. Then, in dictatorial fashion, PayPal removed its service for donations to WikiLeaks, and now their bank account has been frozen. And all this comes a week after the shutdown of 80-plus websites for “copyright infringement,” apparently in preparation for passing the “Blacklist” bill.

    Now, Gardner’s weekend speculation and McConnell’s call for action has turned into political reality. The Hill reports today that Senators unveil anti-WikiLeaks legislation, which seems to be a sort-of “Patriot Act” for the Internet. It’s astonishing how fast these guys can write legislation when major events occur. And again, it’s tyranny-saurus rex, Joe Lieberman, leading the charge with scandal-ridden Ensign (R-Nev.) and empty-suit Scott Brown (R-Mass.). Ensign was quoted:

    WikiLeaks is not a whistleblower website and Assange is not a journalist.

    That, we agree with. Yet, therein lies the concern for establishing new Internet rules of what can and can’t be discussed, and who qualifies as a “journalist.” Look, Assange is clearly either a kinda-smart “useful idiot” or a brilliant insider to the elite. He is certainly not a genuine whistleblower. Admittedly, though, for those of us who hoped he was the real thing, the elite have used some savvy tactics to boost WikiLeaks’ rogue credibility in order to confuse us.

    The White House has sent down a warning to government agencies to restrict employee access to WikiLeaks in order to make Assange and crew appear dangerously off limits. Apparently, this warning has already trickled down to “potential” government employees as well. It was revealed that the State Department warned Columbia University students who may apply for a Federal job:

    DO NOT post links to these documents nor make comments on social media sites such as Facebook or through Twitter.

    In other words, the Thought Police are out in full force telling job-hungry students to not apply if they discuss current events if authorities label those events dangerous or harmful to America. Soon, they’ll most likely publicly fire a mid-level employee who went over the line to prove how serious they are. After all, they desperately need to keep the slaves on the plantation.

    Furthermore, an Interpol arrest warrant has been issued for Julian Assange for shady rape charges, making him an internationally “wanted” man.

    And Assange is playing the clever but likable villain part so well, too, claiming to have an encrypted “insurance” file in case anyone kills him or terminates the website. Assange is the perfect international man of mystery with the dark shades in press conferences; endless mainstream media interviews with his exotic accent and short temper; and his famous silver-blond locks. What a great show they’re putting on for us. I’m sure the movie industry is already clamoring for the rights to the script.

    In the meantime, it has become the typical political game show. Only in America could Cablegate become such a divide-and-conquer partisan issue. The Right have successfully defined WikiLeaks as a dangerous terrorist organization and desire the assassination of its leader, while the Left defends the public’s right to knowledge, but disparages the damage the documents may cause, thus setting up the obvious bipartisan compromise: tighter control and surveillance of the Internet.

    It will go down like this: the Right’s extreme calls for Assange’s execution will give the establishment the publicly defensible compromise to at least shut down their website by way of pressuring their service providers, etc. And the wimpy Left will compromise by letting it happen, while Assange will be allowed to remain alive and free.

    It fits ever so perfectly for them to extend the definition of an “enemy combatant” to a website that publishes “anti-government” material. Enter Attorney General Eric Holder, who has authorized “significant” action into the probe of WikiLeaks. Can’t you just smell the tyranny coming to the Internet?

    Ron Paul said it best in his book Revolution: A Manifesto: “Truth is treason in an empire of lies.” Paul reiterated this principle of transparency in a recent interview. Paul said we need more WikiLeaks if we expect to live in a free society:

    ‘In a free society we’re supposed to know the truth,’ Paul insisted. ‘In a society where truth becomes treason, then we’re in big trouble.’

    Given the angry calls for action and today’s developments of government proposals, not to mention the blight of Internet legislation already on the table, we will likely get the exact opposite of the free-flow of information that Paul is advocating. In fact, if history is any indicator, get ready for nothing less than the Patriot Act for the Internet!

    Read More Great Articles By Eric Blair at activistpost.com
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  • dude

    and while that might be construed as buckling to the extreme pressure and the apparent dragnet thrown around him, it may also be a way to reinforce the symbolism of powerful vs the non-powerful, the informed and the secretive. I am not suggesting he is playing 11-dimensional chess; only that he may be acting strongly on principle–strongly enough to set a long-awaited and full-of-spine example to others.

  • Celsius 233

    …is long overdue, especially in the U.S. and Britain.


    Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them,and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows,or with both~FDouglas

  • Celsius 233

    …today;
    http://www.democracynow.org/

    Well worth a listen. Cheers


    Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them,and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows,or with both~FDouglas

  • MadDog

    What a collective bunch of anonymous jerk-offs. Wah wah wah…. the Assange fan-boys are upset that Assange violated Pay Pal policies so they are going to DDoS Pay Pal…. and make life harder for the rest of us. I use Pay Pal a lot… so why I should suffer the toddler-like rages of a bunch of internet trolls who suddenly take it upon themselves to behave badly ?

    What a bunch of ass-hat supremes.

    Fuck You, Anonymous.

    Mad Dog

  • MadDog

    So let me get this straight ? If we dont do what a bunch of semi-anonymous internet trolls tell us what to do, they will unleash a “nuclear bomb”.

    Isnt that the definition of terrorism ?

    Furthermore, this now makes ASSange look even worse.

    You see, there is no “nuclear bomb” of information that equally targets all countries across the political spectrum. So we are left with 1 of 2 conclusions:

    1) Assange is targeting this specifically at the US which would show he/Wikileaks has an agenda, and is not the “free information” guru he claims to be or,

    2) He is really stupid – as why wouldnt this make the Chinese or Russians or Iran kill him ? After all, if the bomb is aimed at the US, why wouldnt any of those countries kill Assange ? Any of those countries or others have an interest in knocking the US down a peg. Which means, the threat is nothing more than a death sentence for Assange. Ooops.

    Mad Dog

  • MadDog

    Are you really this clinically depressed ?

    Mad Dog

  • MadDog

    Jimbo, calm down. The internet is not going to collapse because a few internet eLiTe net’ hackerz are going all emo about Assange.

    Mad Dog

  • chalo

    you just might wind up riding with him to the slaughter.

    With the phony bravado stripped away, your simpering comes across like that of someone who built their whole lifestyle around Myspace only to find that everybody else moved on.

    I know I will live to see a time when folks can say, “PayPal? What’s that?”

  • pihwht

    What was it that Wikileaks did which prompts Paypal, Visa, and Mastercard to take this ‘righteous’ action?

  • adrena

    AMY GOODMAN: Can you explain, Jennifer Robinson, what that was? What were Julian Assange’s efforts to deal with the Swedish authorities?

    JENNIFER ROBINSON: Well, first, it’s important to note that Mr. Assange remained in Sweden for almost a month in order to clear his name. While he was in Sweden after the allegations came out, he was in touch with the prosecuting authorities and offered on numerous occasions to provide interview in order to clear his name. Those offers were not taken up by the police. Now, he obviously has had to travel for work and had meetings to attend. And in order to leave Sweden, he sought the specific permission of the prosecutor to leave, on the grounds that there was an outstanding investigation, and she gave that permission. So he left Sweden lawfully and without objection by the prosecuting authorities. Since that time, we have communicated through his Swedish counsel on numerous occasions offers to provide the answers to the questions that she may have through other means, through teleconference, through video link, by attending an embassy here in the U.K. to provide that information. And all of those offers were rejected. It’s also important to remember that the prosecutor has not once issued a formal summons for his interrogation. So, all of these communications have been informally. And in our view, it’s disproportionate to seek an arrest warrant when voluntary cooperation has been offered.


    Tolerating prostitution is tolerating abuse and torture of women and children.

  • Celsius 233

    Yes it is. There is certainly more going on here and you can bet your bippy the U.S. is up to it’s eyeballs in this.


    Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them,and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows,or with both~FDouglas

  • Celsius 233

    Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them,and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows,or with both~FDouglas

  • Celsius 233

    …I just picked up on this from another forum;
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/assange-rape-accuser-cia-ties/

    Not too surprising; just confirmation of the U.S. pressure and behind the scenes manipulation.


    Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them,and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows,or with both~FDouglas

  • Chickadee

    PAYPAL A statement on the PayPal site reads: “PayPal has permanently restricted the account used by WikiLeaks due to a violation of the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy, which states that our payment service cannot be used for any activities that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity. We’ve notified the account holder of this action.”

    MASTERCARD – MasterCard said it was cutting off payments because WikiLeaks is engaging in illegal activity. “MasterCard rules prohibit customers from directly or indirectly engaging in or facilitating any action that is illegal,” spokesman Chris Monteiro said.”

    VISA According to a statement made by the company, Visa Europe has taken the decision to suspend its payment acceptance on Wikileaksʼ website, while waiting for further evidence on the nature of its activities and whether it contravenes Visa operating rules.

    Apparently neither PayPal, VISA or MasterCard believe in the court system which is the more usual place for the legality of actions to be determined.

    PostFinance (Swiss Bank) seized his account through with European donations were channeled because Assange “provided false information when setting up his account.” This, it turns out, refers to the local mailing address he’d provided. It belonged to his WikiLeaks lawyer who set up the account. Apparently (well, incredibly) people who set up Swiss bank accounts, at this bank anyway, have to physically reside in Switzerland – which should be surprising news for all those gangsters, politicians, cult leaders and stock promoters unaware that their accounts may be seized by the bank unless they move to Switzerland – (where residency takes at least 12 years to achieve, in any case.)

    Perhaps a clearer answer to your question is provided in this CNET article dated December 6th.

    WikiLeaks previously was given the boot from its United States-based hosting services and domain name services. Sen. Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut said last Wednesday: “I call on any other company or organization that is hosting WikiLeaks to immediately terminate its relationship with them.

    …the incoming chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee wants WikiLeaks listed as a “terrorist” organization, which would prohibit U.S. banks from processing payments and make it a felony for anyone else to provide “material support or resources” to the group. CNET reported earlier today that some U.S. government employees are being blocked from visiting WikiLeaks’ Web site and the myriad mirror sites that have sprouted in the last few days.

    There are so many problems with the US self appointed and annointed global cop role in this situation – namely the need to arrest and possibly incarcerate hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of WikiLeaks readers and supporters at home and abroad. All their computers will have to be destroyed and their minds cleansed of any recollection of ever having read WikiLeaks materials. Websites will have to shut down (many already have) Service providers put out of business at home and around the world. A mighty task to be sure.

    But there are more immediate problems. Namely how to shut up Assange permanently. He’s not American so a charge of treason doesn’t really apply, a fact that, somewhat incredibly, the US Attorney General just realized. Neither does a charge of espionage hold water because he isn’t spying for any enemy. That silly thing with the girls in Sweden has gone completely pear shaped (although it has obviously put Assange out of action for the time being on another flimsy technicality, thanks to the usual Brit collusion. I bet it must have severely knotted the judge’s knickers to have to turn down 180,000 pounds though.)

    I’m very pessimistic about Assange’s situation. One of these governments will sooner, if not later, be cowed or coerced into handing Assange over to the Americans. The US seems hysterically bound and determined to put Assange in the brig for good. I’m betting that won’t be an issue for long either. Look at the hundred of people held in Guantanamo for years without charge. No problem.

    The NY TIMES reported today

    Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. acknowledged this week that there were problems with the Espionage Act, a World War I-era law that says the unauthorized possession and dissemination of information related to national defense is illegal. But he also hinted that prosecutors were looking at other statutes with regard to Mr. Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks.

    “I don’t want to get into specifics here, but people would have a misimpression if the only statute you think that we are looking at is the Espionage Act,” Mr. Holder said Monday at a news conference. “That is certainly something that might play a role, but there are other statutes, other tools that we have at our disposal.”

    Sadly, the old saw about absolute power is proven once again.

    “They hate our freedom.” George W Bush, March 18, 2002 explaining the reason for the 9/11 attack on the US, allegedly carried out by foreign terrorists.

  • pihwht

    that’s what I thought. Wikileaks didn’t do anything to force paypal, visa, mastercard or others to try and isolate them. Someone else must have prompted this sort of action. This morning we have paypal admitting that the State Department was responsible:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/08/paypal-us-pressure-wikileaks-mastercard

  • chalo

    now let their own chains drag them down.

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    “In the netherlands most of us do not ware a helmet. Also most of us do not have a gun. Still we get very old.” – jojo

  • MadDog

    ….you just might wind up riding with him to the slaughter.

    So, if I get you correctly, you dont really care that many many people use Pay Pal in daily activites for reasons totally unrelated to Wikileaks ? To you, the ends justify the means of internet terrorism ?

    With the phony bravado stripped away,

    Let me get this straight – you accuse me of phony bravado, when at the same time you laud the actions of a bunch of anonymous internet trolls making threats ?

    your simpering comes across like that of someone who built their whole lifestyle around Myspace only to find that everybody else moved on.
    I know I will live to see a time when folks can say, “PayPal? What’s that?”

    I realize you long for the days of bongs and birkenstocks and free love, but here in the real world, Pay Pal is really quite useful. While you may choose not to use it, there are many people who use it for legitimate reasons. But, according to you, if Chalo doesnt use it, it must be of no use and should be swept away ?

    Mad Dog

  • MadDog

    Wikileaks didn’t do anything to force paypal, visa, mastercard or others to try and isolate them.

    Wikileaks violated Pay Pal policy. Pay Pal has every right to stop taking payments for them. Whether they chose to overlook it in the past is irrelevant to the fact Wikileaks violated policy.

    Sure, I bet there was some pressure from the government. So what ? Wikileaks is not above the law.

    Seriously, the amout of hand-wringing is totally silly. Wikileaks might of done some good in the past but their totally irresponsible torrent of information (strategic targets in the US ? thanks a lot, assholes…) make me realize what they are:

    fences – a term for dealers in stolen goods.

    Mad Dog

  • chalo

    And wrong actions have bad consequences:

    To wit.

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    “In the netherlands most of us do not ware a helmet. Also most of us do not have a gun. Still we get very old.” – jojo

  • pihwht

    is the law that wikileaks is not above? Up till now our courts have ruled in favor of publishers of leaked info. Of course, I do realize that in our new system we only need an executive finger to be pointed to determine guilt and punishment.

  • pihwht

    hasn’t the government persisted in the ‘nothing new here’ meme? Wouldn’t boredom serve the administration better than hysteria and threats?

    Are they aware of something more exciting than what we’ve read in the cables so far that people who don’t normally pay attention would care about, or are they just getting upset for no reason? Are they just becoming uncomfortable because their little cocoons are getting tattered?

  • JustPlainDave

    …nothing new here would be the correct response. Unfortunately, this isn’t something that only has significance in domestic politics.

    Let us overthrow the totems, break the taboos. Or better, let us consider them cancelled. Coldly, let us be intelligent. ~ Pierre Trudeau

  • Joaquin

    Instead of fixing the problem, which is that the U.S. keeps secrets that it shouldn’t, lies about them, and hides from accountability behind secrets; the government instead lashes out at those who would hold their feet to the fire.

    Under normal circumstances most of these cables should not be leaked. The U.S. government has an opportunity to put things right such that no one would think of leaking such things because it is unnecessary for a healthy Democracy. What we are seeing, however, is that there is not a healthy Democracy and therefore, Wikileaks is necessary; a requirement if we are ever to get a healthy Democracy.

    Ironically what Wikileaks is revealing that is most valuable is not part of any leaked document but rather a government that cannot react in a healthy way to any kind of criticism. Clearly, this is not how a democracy should react to a problem like this.

  • pihwht

    in Spiegel online zbigniew brzezinski the other day said he thought Obama would be served by being calm.

    “SPIEGEL: Will American foreign policy ever be the same after this embarrassing leak of US diplomatic dispatches?

    Brzezinski: Absolutely. There was a saying once in Vienna during the good old days of the Habsburg Empire that when things went wrong and people were asked for comment, the comment usually was: “Well, it’s catastrophic but not serious.” And that’s the way this is. ”

    “SPIEGEL: If you were still national security advisor, how would you tell President Barack Obama to react to WikiLeaks?

    Brzezinski: To relax and to carry on. His basic instincts on the large issues of foreign policy are fundamentally correct and in tune with history, ”

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,733079,00.html

    Sounded like good advice to me.

    It is like when you are teaching a class in middle school. You cannot win a fight with the class.

  • Don

    Or could it be that some of our good old boys secretly like to ass rape young boys in their spare time?

    WikiLeaks: Texas Company Helped Pimp Little Boys To Stoned Afghan Cops

    I did inhale.

  • graham

    crikey =
    Thursday, 9 December 2010 / 24 comments
    Assange accuser may have ceased co-operating | by Guy Rundle

    Anna Ardin, one of the two complainants in the rape and sexual assault case against WikiLeaks editor-in-chief Julian Assange, has left Sweden, and may have ceased actively co-operating with the Swedish prosecution service and her own lawyer, sources in Sweden told Crikey today.

    The move comes amid a growing campaign by leading Western feminists to question the investigation, and renewed confusion as to whether Sweden has actually issued charges against Assange. Naomi Klein, Naomi Wolf, and the European group Women Against Rape, have all made statements questioning the nature and purpose of the prosecution.

    Ardin, who also goes by the name Bernardin, has moved to the West Bank in the Palestinian Territories, as part of a Christian outreach group, aimed at bringing reconciliation between Palestinians and Israelis. She has moved to the small town of Yanoun, which sits close to Israel’s security/sequestration wall. Yanoun is constantly besieged by fundamentalist Jewish settlers, and international groups have frequently stationed themselves there.

    Attempts by Crikey to contact Ardin by phone, fax, email and twitter were unsuccessful today.

    Ardin’s blog has restarted after a fortnight hiatus, and her twitter feed has restarted after a two-month break. The twitter feed appears to be commenting on her ongoing profile in the media with the latest entry reading: “CIA agent, rabid feminist / Muslim lover, a Christian fundamentalist, frigid & fatally in love with a man, can you be all that at the same time …”

    The previous tweet appears to extend support to WikiLeaks, after financial agencies withdrew their services, reading “Mastercard, Visa and Paypal — hit it, now!”*

    One source from Ardin’s old university of Uppsala reported rumours that she had stopped co-operating with the prosecution service several weeks ago, and that this was part of the reason for the long delay in proceeding with charges — and what still appears to be an absence of charges.

    News of Ardin/Bernardin’s departure comes as reports circulate of Ardin’s connection to the right-wing Cuban exile community in Miami, something that Crikey readers learnt of months ago. The reports have helped fuel wilder conspiracy theories about the nature of Ardin’s involvement with WikiLeaks and Assange.

    A former politics student who had done internships at Sweden’s DC embassy, Ardin completed her thesis on Cuban political opposition groups, many of whom have involvement — and funding — from the US interests section, the only US diplomatic representation in Cuba. Ardin initially began her research in Havana and left after being advised that her position was no longer safe. She completed the research in Miami.

    However, it seems more likely that the Cuban episode is part of the same political nomadism that led her to WikiLeaks. An office holder with the Social Democratic party’s Christian “brotherhood” faction, Ardin is active in a range of causes from Latin America to animal liberation.

    Ardin’s move and confusion over her involvement and the real status of the charges against Assange come as the campaign questioning the charges against him has come to include a number of leading feminist activists. Naomi Klein tweeted that:

    “R-pe is being used in the #Assange prosecution in the same way that women’s freedom was used to invade Afghanistan. Wake up! #wikilieaks”

    While in The Huffington Post, Naomi Wolf posted a (quite funny) article asking Interpol to apprehend every date she’s had who turned out to be a narcissistic jerk.

    In The Guardian Karin Axelsson of Women Against R-pe questioned why Assange’s case was being pursued more assiduously than cases of r-pe judged more serious (Sweden has three degrees of severity for r-pe charges).

    These moves are evidence of the situation your correspondent suggested in Crikey yesterday — that the Assange case is proving to be the final process by which the second-wave feminist coalition formed in the late 1960s splits substantially, with feminists with differing attitude to Western state power finding themselves on different sides of the debate.

    Indeed, it puts one in the unusual position of saying that commentators such as Wolf are being too anti-complainant in their construction of the charges as nothing other than a couple of bad dates. It’s a strange world, and getting stranger.

    The lawyer for Ardin and Wilen, the two complainants, has hit back at attacks and criticism of his clients, saying that they had been put on trial and effectively assaulted twice. He claimed to be in daily contact with the women, which suggests that he has a better reception to Yanoun than many of its inhabitants have to the outside world.

    Even if the case comes to trial, the prospects of conviction look slim. Crikey asked Flinders University s-x crime law expert Dr Mary Heath to go over the charges (which may still be accusations at this stage) as they were relayed in Assange’s extradition bail hearing, and she made the following comments:

    “Practically speaking, I would not like the chances of the prosecutor on charge 3 — pressing his erect p-nis into the complainant’s back … legally speaking I would have to suggest the chances of conviction would be slim for any Australian offence where both accused were adults. Proving non consent might be difficult but proving awareness of non consent would be even harder.

    “Charges 1 and 2 (holding partner down, and unsafe s-x despite earlier expressed opposition to such) involve contexts where there would be room for defence argument about consent. On charge 1, when is one person ‘holding down’ another person lying beneath them, and when are they simply having consensual s-x in a position involving one person being on top of the other person? Is this force or just rough but consensual (compared to cases I’ve read, the allegation would hardly count as rough).

    “On charge 2, prior unwillingness is not enough, the complainant must not be consenting and the accused must be aware of this ‘at the time of int-rcourse’. Did complainant one change her mind? Did Assange believe she changed her mind, and perhaps on reasonable grounds the charge does not disclose?

    “On charge 4 (s-x while complainant was sleeping), recent experience in South Australia suggests this also could be difficult to prove if there was any kind of s-xual interaction prior to the complainant falling asleep, which might give the defence a plausible argument that belief in consent was present. I was deeply unimpressed by the level of protection the courts (let alone public attitudes) offered to people who are asleep or unconscious due to drugs/alcohol.

    “… The one thing that is clearer, perhaps, is that the charges may turn on withdrawal of consent once a s-xual act had commenced. The law of almost every jurisdiction in Australia would recognise withdrawal of consent after a s-xual act commenced as rendering that s-xual act non consensual (and therefore r-pe). As for proving it … I reiterate what I said about proof previously.”

    The Guardian reports that former Crown Prosecution Service extradition expert Raj Joshi said that extradition was unlikely:

    “On what we know so far, it is going to be very difficult to extradite. The judge has to be satisfied that the conduct equals an extraditable offence and that there are no legal bars to extradition.

    “Assange’s team will argue, how can the conduct equal an extraditable offence if the [Swedish] prosecutor doesn’t think there is enough evidence to charge, and still has not charged.”

    This has added to speculation that the Swedish moves, which have coincided with the release of the Cablegate stories, are politically motivated as stalling tactics, allowing Assange to be detained while the US “prepares an extradition/rendition request”, according to Assange’s UK lawyer Mark Stephens.

    * I might have that completely wrong. The Swedish is “Mastercard, Visa och paypal — skärp er, nu!” I’m happy to be corrected.
    DISCUSS
    24 Comments

    JENNY
    Posted Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 2:10 pm | Permalink
    Groan. Is it really necessary to concoct some sort of feminist-infighting-conspiracy and to continue to attack alleged victims when the whole article could have been edited down to once sentence: “…politically motivated as stalling tactics, allowing Assange to be detained while the US ‘prepares an extradition/rendition request’ ”

    Rundle seems perversely obsessed with sex and coercion. I would rather he use his investigative skills to find out what the americans might or might not be doing to extradite Assange for completely unrelated charges of espionage.

    JOHN
    Posted Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 2:15 pm | Permalink
    Sweden should award Assange the Nobel Peace Prize.

    FREE ASSANGE

    JOHNB78
    Posted Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 2:32 pm | Permalink
    Guy – this is another good piece and I salute your reporting on this case.

    You really needed to ask an English lawyer, though, as sexual offences laws are different in England from those in Victoria (see: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/part/1 ). Also, I don’t think Dr Heath understands what’s accused in count 1.

    1) This is rape under English law. As you reported yesterday, the allegation is that Assange penetrated Miss A’s vagina despite being told not to. The “holding down” and “force” stuff relate to the weirdness of Swedish sex law – the claim wouldn’t be classed as rape *in Sweden* without force.

    2) This isn’t rape or sexual assault under English law.

    3) This would only be sexual assault under English law given evidence of prior lack of consent (ie “I’ll share a bed with you but don’t you dare try and touch me, ya bastard”).

    4) This is technically rape under English law without express consent (even the fact that she consented *after he started* doesn’t get him off the hook). A conviction is unlikely if she consented after he started and only withdrew consent subsequently, and the South Australian precedent could be taken into account on appeal, but this isn’t *guaranteed* to be thrown out of court like 2 and 3.

    But, given the existence of count 1, unless Miss A withdraws her testimony or Assange’s lawyers can demonstrate that it is seriously flawed pre-trial, there is sufficient evidence to deport him to Sweden. Without the existence of count 1, there probably wouldn’t be.

    FREECOUNTRY
    Posted Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 2:39 pm | Permalink
    Mr Rundle, what do you mean “the final process by which the second-wave feminist coalition formed in the late 1960s splits substantially”?

    There have been splits in the feminist movement right from the beginning. It has never been, and never could have been, a monolith. If there have been defining moments of polarization, I would say Helen Garner’s “The First Stone” was of far greater moment than anything to do with the Assange case.

    SHEPHERDMARILYN
    Posted Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 2:46 pm | Permalink
    It reads to me like two star f….ers didn’t like comparing notes.

    RENA ZURAWEL
    Posted Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 2:57 pm | Permalink
    This Hollywood saga gets better every day. I love it.
    I can see not only Nobel Prize on the horizon but a tripple Oscar as well.

    SOCRATEASE
    Posted Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 3:02 pm | Permalink
    Why does Crikey carry on with this nonsense of publishing its own articles with expurgated words such as “r-pe and s-xual”?

    STEVE@STEVEBURNHAM.NET
    Posted Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 3:02 pm | Permalink
    My Swedish boss says that tweet says something more like ‘get real’ (as in, don’t be so silly)

    GREG ANGELO
    Posted Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 3:20 pm | Permalink
    In describing Sweden as the “lickspittle of the United States”, this morning Julian Assange’s lawyer, Mark Stephens seems to have hit the nail on the head. Sweden is being portrayed as a lackey of the United States which is trying to address the issue of its own citizen’s leak of confidential information by attacking Wikileaks through its founder and trying to intimidate it against further disclosure. In appearing to facilitate this process, Sweden has chosen some very bad bedfellows.

    Whatever the natural justice of the situation concerning the rape allegations, there has been sufficient questioning of the motivation for these extradition proceedings to put Sweden in a very bad light as an acolyte of the United States.
    Right wing commentators in United States are calling for Mr Assange to be assassinated or be tried for treason. These lunatics do not understand that treason cannot apply to anybody other than a US citizen, and that extrajudicial killing is against the American Constitution. On the other hand the Wikileaks disclosures go to the very heart of political duplicity, and the freedom of expression and information which underpins Western democracy.
    or
    In making these comments, I am even more disgusted with our own government which has its own set of “lickspittles” including our Prime Minister Gillard and reportedly US informant Minister Arbib. The current proceedings in relation to Sweden’s extradition proceedings are so transparently obvious as being politically motivated yet the Australian government cannot see its way clear to support an Australian citizen with anything other than tokenism.

    ANONYMOUS
    Posted Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 3:43 pm | Permalink
    ”* I might have that completely wrong. The Swedish is “Mastercard, Visa och paypal — skärp er, nu!” I’m happy to be corrected.”

    Doublechecked with a Swedish speaker, and they said “it depends on who has written it…. if someone wants it down.. it means like “all, getfocus now” or if someone dont want the servers to go down… its more a “*sigh* grow up” … but I think because of the “???”, it means… why are you atacking theese, comeon and grow up….but normally “skärp er nu” means “get focused, now” or like “we arn´t doing it good enough, so come on now”.

    Just for clarification.

    KELLYU
    Posted Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 3:56 pm | Permalink
    Socratease, the edited words are probably to get around overly enthusiastic work and public internet filters – I vaguely remember years and years ago an organisation that had a cheap, grossly inaccurate internet filter that blocked a web page if it had certain words in it. They got rid of it when they realised that it was blocking br-ast cancer support sites.

    SOCRATEASE
    Posted Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 4:12 pm | Permalink
    KellyU,

    In answering your post, seems I just triggered the automatic moderator, LOL!

    ANGRA
    Posted Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 4:47 pm | Permalink
    I suspect its also something to do with Crikey not wanting to get too many returns in search results for such words.

    SBH
    Posted Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 4:48 pm | Permalink
    Our own Government Greg Angelo? Have you moved back to Australia then?

    VENISE ALSTERGREN
    Posted Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 4:54 pm | Permalink
    GUY RUNDLE: For C_hr_ist’s sake! This is just a whole lot of words thrown together for effect. It’s like a Swedish movie-all art but no substance.

    For the second time in my life I’m agreeing with MARILYN SHEPHERD….”“It reads to me like two star f….ers didn’t like comparing notes.”“

    This Ardin/Bernardin sounds like a character in “A Thousand and One Nightmares” and Julian Assange (in the unlikely case of the charges being proven) will have the rest of his life to ponder the question. How dud a bash was I that I had to do it when the complainant was asleep?

    Minus five stars RUNDLE.

    GREG ANGELO
    Posted Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 4:57 pm | Permalink
    @SBH I do not understand your comment unless it was an oblique point of sarcasm.

    I have never left Australia.

    The “our government” I referred to was the Australian government, and I have never had any other nationality or lived in any other country.

    DANIEL
    Posted Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 4:58 pm | Permalink
    The censorship is to avoid the Crikey daily emails being trapped in spam filters.

    GGM
    Posted Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 5:00 pm | Permalink
    Breathes there a man who has not awoken with a burning desire and evidence to prove it?

    AFAIK its one of the standard G.P. questions chasing up your overall health: lack of a morning erection is a sign of vascular degeneration…

    SOCRATEASE
    Posted Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 5:01 pm | Permalink
    ^

    I don’t use the email feed, but that figures.

    SOCRATEASE
    Posted Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 5:03 pm | Permalink
    @GGM,

    brings to mind an Ian Dury song:

    I come awake
    with the gift for womankind
    you’re still asleep
    but the gift don’t seem to mind
    …

    STEVO THE WORKING TWISTIE
    Posted Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 5:11 pm | Permalink
    Thanks @GGM. Guess I don’t have a degenerate vascular then

    Assange & Wikileaks aside, this whole case makes you wonder whether it is worth even trying to have physical relations with the ‘fairer’ sex (irony intended). As if there weren’t enough minefields to cross in that pursuit. No wonder internet p-rn has become so popular – no one needs to worry about Mrs Palmer’s informed consent.

    SOCRATEASE
    Posted Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 5:38 pm | Permalink
    That’s weird, what was originally showing as “s-x and r-ape” in the first line of Guy’s article has now been unexpurgated.

    So, I still don’t get this phony censorship policy of Crikey’s.

    MOSTYN
    Posted Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 6:09 pm | Permalink
    Forgot to say that apparently in both Assange cases there was unprotected sex.

    ADAM FENLON
    Posted Thursday, 9 December 2010 at 6:22 pm | Permalink
    Its a case where the presumption of innocence means more than usual.

  • graham

    Datacell – 8th December 2010 12:30 CET
    Since yesterday around 22:30 CET Visa and Mastercard payments are being rejected on our donation system. We have received a suspension notice stating that Visa Europe has ordered our payment processor to suspend payments and undertake due diligence investigation in order to pretect the Visa brand ensure neither the payment processor nor Visa Europe is running legal risks by facilitating payments for the funding of the Wikileaks website. For the same reasons the payment processor has suspended the payments of Mastercard.

    The suspension period will be one week with effect from 8 December 2010 Danish local time. The suspension period may be prolonged.

    DataCell ehf who facilitates those payments towards Wikileaks has decided to take up immediate legal actions to make donations possible again. We can not believe Wikileaks would even create scratch at the brand name of Visa. The suspension of payments towards Wikileaks is a violation of the agreements with their customers. Visa users have explicitly expressed their will to send their donations to Wikileaks and Visa is not fulfilling this wish. It will probably hurt their brand much much more to block payments towards Wikileaks than to have them occur. Visa customers are contacting us in masses to confirm that they really donate and they are not happy about Visa rejecting them. It is obvious that Visa is under political pressure to close us down. We strongly believe a world class company such as Visa should not get involved by politics and just simply do their business where they are good at. Transferring money. They have no problem transferring money for other businesses such as gambling sites, pornography services and the like so why a donation to a Website which is holding up for human rights should be morally any worse than that is outside of my understanding.

    Visa is hurting Wikileaks and DataCell ehf in high figures. Putting all payments on hold for 7 days or more is one thing but rejecting all further attempts to donate is making the donations impossible. This does clearly create massive financial losses to Wikileaks which seems to be the only purpose of this suspension. This is not about the brand of Visa, this is about politics and Visa should not be involved in this.

    If you want to donate, use wiretransfers. And make sure your local Visa partner knows that it is your sincere wish to donate to Wikileaks using your Visa card. We will do our best in the meantime to support Wikileaks.

    Andreas Fink
    CEO
    DataCell ehf
    7th December 2010
    Since 2 months we operate a payment gateway so people can donate to Wikelaks. From the press we hear Mastercard and Visa are closing donations towards Wikileaks

    We have been contacted by Visa with the wish to close down the account for donations to Wikileaks. We had no contact from Mastercard until now. After discussions with our lawyers, we have decided that we can not honor such requests based on the pure simple fact of untrue and unverified accusations.

    Freedom of speech is the freedom to speak freely without censorship and/or limitation. The right to freedom of speech is recognized as a human right under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and recognized in international human rights law. Furthermore freedom of speech is recognized in European, inter-American and African regional human rights law.

    It is simply ridiculous to even think Wikileaks has done anything criminal. If Wikileaks is criminal, then CNN, and BBC, The New York Times, The Guardian, Al Jaseira and many others would have to be considered criminals too as they publish the same informations. Nobody even tries to touch them though. You can still buy a New York times subscription and pay with your credit card I guess.

    We have not even heard of the Wikileaks organisation being accused anywhere in the world for any crime. The conclusion is that it is only honorable to donate to Wikileaks as they fight for our human rights.

    DataCell is only doing work for Wikileaks in helping them processing credit card payments. We can look at it from every perspective as we want, we are helping a honorable organization to get its funding it needs to sustain the load on their servers and deliver the messages the public wants to read.

    If large companies such as Visa or Mastercard, who hold the duopoly of the credit card transactions world wide, think they have to put priority on political influence over the law, they have to be ready to take damage claims in the billions of Euro’s and they have to be ready to loose a big chunk of their business. This might be very well the end of the credit card business worldwide.

    Andreas Fink
    CEO
    DataCell ehf

  • Celsius 233

    This is great stuff Graham; keep it coming. Cheers.


    Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them,and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows,or with both~FDouglas

  • Celsius 233

    Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them,and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows,or with both~FDouglas

  • graham

    latest = Julian Assange, the editor-in-chief of WikiLeaks, has been transferred to the segregation unit of Wandsworth prison, south London, where the authorities are planning to give him limited access to the internet, it emerged on Thursday.

    Mr. Assange, the most famous inmate in the Victorian jail, met his legal team on Thursday after being sent there on remand when he was refused bail on Tuesday. Sweden is seeking his extradition over allegations of sexual assault.

    Mr. Assange is thought to have asked to be housed away from other prisoners, who had shown a high degree of interest in him after he arrived. A source said other inmates had been supportive of Assange, whom the U.S. has accused of jeopardising its national security by releasing a flood of confidential diplomatic documents.

    Mr. Assange’s legal team will attempt to secure bail for him from Westminster magistrates next Tuesday.

    His solicitor, Mark Stephens, said Mr. Assange was “quite chipper — he seemed to be bearing up”. Mr. Assange was wearing a grey prison tracksuit because he did not have any of his own clothes. The decision by the judge to remand him in custody had taken the WikiLeaks founder and his lawyers by surprise, and he went to prison in the clothes he was wearing.

    Mr. Assange complained about the daytime TV, Stephens said, adding that “he doesn’t have access to a computer, even without an internet connection, or to writing material. He’s got some files but doesn’t have any paper to write on and put them in.” In the wake of online attacks on corporations by pro-WikiLeaks hackers, Stephens said Mr. Assange was concerned that “people have unjustly accused WikiLeaks of inspiring cyber attacks”.

    Mr. Assange, 39, was seen by a doctor when he arrived at Wandsworth — all prisoners are assessed to see if they pose a suicide risk. He was kept for a night in the prison’s Onslow centre, which contains sex offenders and others assessed to be vulnerable.

    As part of a scheme called “access to justice”, prison authorities are arranging for Mr. Assange to be given a computer so he can work on his case. The computer will have limited internet access.

    Mr. Assange asked for one of his legal team to be allowed to bring him a laptop, but was refused — prisoners are not commonly allowed their own computers.

    Mr. Assange, who was born in Australia, also saw officials from the Australian high commission yesterday. He has his own cell and because of the consular and legal visits did not exercise, but will normally get one hour a day. Because he is in the segregation unit, his association with other prisoners will be limited.

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  • graham

    And was glad to read Has Assange Turned Me Into An Anarchist? by Oliver Broudy @ motherjones.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    http://213.251.145.96/

  • graham

    Crikey – {snip}Of the 1203 cables released so far, at least 365 of the cables have been updated by WikiLeaks since they were initially released, mostly for formatting issues. Of the edited cables, more than 45 contain significant non-trivial edits, including 15 cables deleted entirely from the archive.

    Examples of cables that were initially published with names but have been secretly censored at a later date include discussions with representatives of the US by nationals of their own countries’ elections, military activities and rulers.

    In addition to names, whole sections of the cables have also been excised. One cable was taken down for three days and, when it returned, nearly half the content, including a frank discussion with the president of an African nation on a wide variety of topics, including the Israel-Palestine peace process and the war in Afghanistan, was missing. In a different cable, a secret escape route from a major country in the Middle East was initially described in detail but vanishes in an update several days later.{snip}

    Cryptome has already had its say.
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    http://213.251.145.96/

  • MadDog

    Don, thats fascinating, although I dont really see the link to Assange’s “nuclear bomb”. Or are you saying Assange likes to rape young boys ? I am somewhat confused.

    Mad Dog

  • MadDog

    If the worst that Anonymous can do is a few hour disruption script-kiddie-DDOS attack, I think I can count on Pay Pal being available for the rest of eternity.

    Mad Dog

  • MadDog

    What Law ? Dealing in stolen goods or state secrets ?

    If Wikileaks had done their job and properly redacted the documents, there wouldnt be such a fuss. WL seriously screwed themselves by doing such a piss-poor rush job.

    Mad Dog

  • graham

    Bernard Keane writes @ crikey – credibility gap – ya’ll remember that?

  • graham

    Why its hard to duplicateEvgeny Morozov is a visiting scholar at Stanford University, a Schwartz fellow at the New America Foundation and author of a forthcoming book, “The Net Delusion: The Dark Side of Internet Freedom.”

    If WikiLeaks were a for-profit company, determining its real value would be a nearly impossible task. Until very recently, WikiLeaks couldn’t boast of having many tangible or intangible assets – save, perhaps, for its electronic drop box technology, which allows leakers to submit their documents anonymously.

    Other Web sites dedicated to leaking are unlikely to have the same effect as WikiLeaks, which developed strong contacts to the media.

    The WikiLeaks brand is certainly more recognizable around the world since “Cablegate,” but, more important, the organization has developed extensive contacts with the media. Such contacts allow it to ensure that the leaked documents wouldn’t just collect virtual dust on its Web site – a fate that befell the vast majority of their pre-Cablegate items.

    As leakers take great risks in releasing information, assuring them that they are not sacrificing themselves in vain and that their leaks would have public consequences would most likely encourage more people to leak. From this perspective, Cablegate may soon prove to be a watershed event.

    This explains why a thousand other Web sites dedicated to leaking are unlikely to have the same effect as WikiLeaks: it would take a lot of time and effort to cultivate similar relationships with the media. Most other documents leaked to WikiLeaks do not carry the same explosive potential as candid cables written by American diplomats.

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  • graham

    English socialite and wife of Pakistan cricketing great writes here – Pakistan is important to her world view.

    Of course, image is everything

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