Holy Crap


Literally...

BAGRAM AIR BASE, Afghanistan —Deeply angered over reports that U.S. troops had burned copies of the Koran, Islam’s holy text, thousands of protesters on Tuesday tried to storm the largest U.S. base in Afghanistan.

The protests erupted early in the morning, after Afghans working inside the Bagram air base reported to local residents that a number of copies of the Koran had been burned. The incident prompted the top U.S. military officer in Afghanistan, Gen. John R. Allen, to offer a public apology and order a prompt investigation.

“When we learned of these actions, we immediately intervened and stopped them,” Allen said in a statement. “We are taking steps to ensure this does not ever happen again. I assure you … I promise you … this was NOT intentional in any way.”

It's not hard to find out that the proper way to dispose of a Koran is by burying it or releasing it into flowing waters. You can burn it, but there had better be no other option available.

It seems to me that, in the largest military base in South Asia, there's a front loader lying around idle somewhere.


Actor 212 February 21, 2012 - 12:34pm

is why are they taking korans away from the prisoners and why personal effects taken are not secured?

Tina February 21, 2012 - 1:24pm

A Western military official with knowledge of the incident said it appeared that the Qurans and other Islamic readings in the library were being used to fuel extremism, and that detainees at Parwan Detention Facility, which adjoins Bagram, were writing on the documents to exchange extremist messages. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information.

The military official said that several hundred Islamic publications, including Qurans, were removed from the library. Some of the publications had extremist content; others had extremist messages written on their pages by detainees, the official said.

Quoted from The Atlanta Journal-Constitution (AJC)
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/us-apologizes-for-quran-1356820.html


"All I know is just what I read in the newspapers." - Will Rogers

readr satx February 21, 2012 - 5:02pm

Hey, nobody said occupying Afghanistan indefinitely was going to be easy.

Or, uh, possible...

grassroot February 21, 2012 - 2:34pm

This is what I found:
Disposing of worn-out copies of the Qur’an
Written by Administrator
Tuesday, 28 June 2011 04:37
Disposing of worn-out copies of the Qur’an The second and third questions of Fatwa no. 21775 Q 2: How can one dispose of worn-out copies of the Mus-haf (Qur’an, the Book)? A: The worn-out copies of Mus-hafs should be burned or buried in a pure place
http://back2thebasics.net/qaa/310-disposing-of-worn-out-copies-of-the-quran.html.

What was improper?

mcgrande February 21, 2012 - 2:46pm

eom


The origin of the universe has not as yet been shown to be a conspiracy theory

nymole February 21, 2012 - 3:01pm

finds that burning is the last resort and if done the ashes should be buried, one link which seems to cover all the others I found:

http://www.inter-islam.org/Quran/disposingscripture.htm

Every religion and society has great respect for its Holy Scriptures no matter how old or new they may look. The Sikhs, Jews and Christians all have a certain respect for their Holy Scriptures but the respect and love the Muslims hold for their Holy Script is greatly different. The Last Revelation: The Holy Qur’an is not just an ordinary scripture, but rather it’s the Holy book that moulds an individuals life into an obedient servant of Allah.

Every single word and verse within it is sanctified and cannot be touched without ritual cleanliness. Our respect of the Holy Qur’an and the realisation of its sanctity decreases as society deteriorates, due to non-islamic influences and propaganda. Qur’ans and Islamic literature are left lying on the top shelves of our homes, unread for months or even years and gradually they start to become very dusty. They are classed as OLD though we rarely touched them until the time comes when they are removed. Without any realisation of their sanctity, like other unwanted items, we tend to discard them away which is totally incorrect. We must always remember, in Islam, when something is sanctified, then its sanctity will always remain.

Regarding disposing of unwanted religious and Islamic literature the great classical Hanafi Jurist Allamah Haskafi states:

“Those books that are no longer wanted: One should wipe away the names of Allah, his Angels and His Messengers and burn the rest. There is nothing wrong with casting them into a flowing river as they are (i.e without wiping the names away) or burying them and burning them (excluding the Qur’an, see below), is advised.

Thus, if one decides to get rid of religious literature, the right thing would be to bury them by wrapping them in something pure first, in a place where people would not walk very rarely. Similarly, it would be permitted to tie the books and papers with something heavy and cast them into a flowing river. You may also burn them, but in this case, only after erasing the names of Allah, his Angels and his Messengers (peace and blessings be upon them all).

As far the old and unusable Qur’ans are concerned, it is not permitted to burn them unless there is no other way to dispose them.

Allamah ibn Abidin, a great Hanafi Scholar states,

“If a copy of the Qur’an becomes old and it is difficult to read it, it should NOT be burnt in fire.”

This is also the view of Imam Mohammed (Student of Imam Abu Hanifah). It is best to bury them after wrapping them into something pure and clean.

The conclusion is, there are two methods of disposing an unusable Qur’an and Islamic literature:

(1) Wrapping them in a piece of cloth or something pure and burying them respectfully in a place where people normally do not walk upon.

(2) Fastening the items to something heavy such as a stone and placing it respectfully in flowing river.

If the above-mentioned two methods are not possible to implement, only then will it be permitted to burn the Holy Scriptures and then bury the resulting ash or drop the ash in a flowing river.

So the flowing water idea sounds good as one brother suggested above (I guess we can skip the bag if possible). But I am thinking burying might be the most practical solution since most people dont have access to rivers etc ...

Tina February 21, 2012 - 3:37pm

We, (I take that back--I ain't part of this shit), are setting ourselves up for our own destruction.

Mark my words.

I did inhale.

Don February 21, 2012 - 3:11pm

Two words... I agree.

steelhead February 21, 2012 - 8:24pm

"American Legion Posts and local governments often have facilities to dispose of unserviceable flags."

" many municipalities have contacted USA Flag Site for what they should do with unserviceable flags. The only definitive answer is found in the US Flag Code. TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > Sec. 8(k). It states:

"The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning"

http://www.usa-flag-site.org/faq/disposal.shtml

On the other hand- I would hate to speculate what happens to all the bibles in those motel rooms that belong to nobody.


The origin of the universe has not as yet been shown to be a conspiracy theory

nymole February 21, 2012 - 3:17pm

You can burn the bible if: there are too many, a copy is too old, maybe it was someone's personal copy (and they died), etc. I'm not aware of any edicts that this should not be done or is some sort of sin, as long as it is done respectfully.

At the same time, I suspect Muslim women can pay for birth control pills without damning their eternal souls to the burning pit of hell forever.

So you picks your poisons with religions ;)

zot23 February 21, 2012 - 4:47pm

"The ultimate sign of respect for books, however, is how they are treated when they wear out.
In modern times, with the tremendous increase in the amount of printed material and photocopies of holy books, storage and/or burial have become quite difficult. Different authorities have suggested various responses, although most agree that a Sefer Torah as well as printed editions of biblical texts should still be buried.......

http://www.myjewishlearning.com/texts/About_Jewish_Texts/Jewish_Books.shtml


The origin of the universe has not as yet been shown to be a conspiracy theory

nymole February 21, 2012 - 7:11pm

So, let me bring this to 2012. How do you dispose of an electronic copy of the Koran? If your hard drive has a copy of the Koran, do the disposal rules apply only to the sectors that store the text or to the entire hard drive? What if it is on DVD or on a USB stick? What if it is stored in the Cloud or in a distributed manner in a P2P network? If I just put it in my Recycle Bin, is that disrespectful? Do we need a "Pure" Recycle Bin for religious stuff, a bin that has never been used to erase "unholy" content?

All these rituals about how to handle a used book (a mere copy) are just part of obsolete religious insanity and should simply be ignored, in my opinion. If some people cannot live with this, that is tough, perhaps they are not fit to exist in the world the way it is.

creativelcro February 22, 2012 - 5:55am

...text does not qualify as a true Koran in this sense. I don't know enough to know whether my idle speculation has much merit, but I do know that I have been told by a number of folks that translations of the Koranic texts into languages other than Arabic do not qualify as "genuine" Korans.

You opinion is just that, an opinion. A deeply non-trivial part of the earth's population would disagree with you. Given that the dominant story of the coming century will be your country's decline from paramount hegemon to one among many, and a big part of the flip side of the coin will be their ascendency you might wish to reflect on whether your situational definition of fitness has much merit.

"In combat one should be very suspicious of painless moral choices. When you are confronted with a seemingly painless moral choice, the odds are that you haven't looked deeply enough." ~ Karl Marlantes

JustPlainDave February 22, 2012 - 9:59am


It is worth remembering that the Founding Fathers were all traitors.

steeleweed February 22, 2012 - 10:55am

To ensure religious nuts are marginalized and don't have access to kids.

creativelcro February 22, 2012 - 4:57pm

You'd be required to bury it as well. Not many people I know set fire to their hard drives or USB sticks. I would imagine just tossing it in the garbage is a bad thing, however.

Actor 212 February 22, 2012 - 10:48am

Do we need a "Pure" Recycle Bin for religious stuff

Thanks for the great laugh ... heh.


"OTP - Occupy The Patriarchy" ~ me

adrena February 22, 2012 - 10:54am

so at last it can do at least some small good for the world.

Honor the people and their human dignity, not their backwards-assed kooky bullshit superstitions and crackpot notions. This should apply no differently to Korans than it does to Bibles, Torahs, Books of Mormon, or copies of Dianetics, Aleister Crowley's The Book Of The Law, The Celestine Prophecy, or The Book of the SubGenius.

chalo February 24, 2012 - 3:53pm

McClatchy, By Nancy Youssef, March 2

WASHINGTON — A Pentagon investigation has found five soldiers responsible for burning copies of the Quran, the Muslim holy book, which set off a spate of anti-American protests and violence across Afghanistan, two U.S. military officials said Friday.

The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the findings hadn't been released publicly, didn't further identify the soldiers, and there was no indication that the investigation found that they violated military laws. However, the troops could face disciplinary action.

Raja March 5, 2012 - 8:38am

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