SC Leadership Training?

Q: SC leadership training? About Sierra Club leadership training, Eugene.... I've seen these announced occasionally in the Chapter publications (and I understand the SC won't let you lead trips without). I'm curious, as an extremely experienced outdoorsman, did you find this training useful? How so? (I picked up a SC leadership manual at a yard sale a number of years ago and thought it was fairly trivial.)

A:- John, this reminds me a story related in a "Native" newsgroup about a bunch of German reenactment folks who wanted to live like the Native American Indians of Old. During one of their demonstrations, one of them was trying to light a fire by using a bow and drill method. Some real native Americans who were guest of the reenactment as observers watched for a while as the guy tried in vain to light the fire. Finally one of the Indians leaned over, handed the guy a butane lighter and said..."Try this." - I took "leadership training" about 26/7 years ago. It's chapter specific. Your qualities depend over time: the more time and experience (diversity helps) the better. Courses tend to cover aspects like liability, paperwork, a little bit on interpesonal skills, etc. People will throw problems out, and there might be group and individual solution time. Harvey Manning has a cute 2 page article in an old Ascent (the SC Mtnrg. journal). Manning edited the first 2/3 editions of MTNG: Freedom of the Hills and Backpacking One Step at a Time. Leadership (in some one else's case) is not a substitute for one's own skill. Mt. Everest is a typical case in point, and not just what happened a couple year ago. Manning blames climbing schools (and I would add clubs) for instilling a mythical hierarchy on leaders and decision makers. Certainly rescue groups, the Boy Scouts, and others fall into this trap. You really want to avoid really tough leadership situations. Democracy won't cut it in those: no time, and the inexperienced get a disproportionate vote. Those will be situations where time is of the essence and lives are at stake. You will clearly want to read as much as you can over the years. Most people won't, so they tend to fall on motion pictures (e.g., the romantized cowboy thread). Films then become the semantic

media to discuss how characters portary decisions. Were the real world so easy!... All leadership has to lay down on a firm basis of personal skills. With the SC, I will participate, but I rarely lead trips these days (sometimes get arm twisted). I prefer private trips with experienced people. When work gets done by knowledgeable people, the whole trip is much better. Paid guiding is another matter. What else?.... Advanced planning helps. The problem is that this conflicts with some people's ideals about freedom. Having a good understanding of time (actually daylight) as a resource: but it turns out that time is a major factor in people getting in trouble.