US marines accused of war crimes

Chris McGreal | Washington | Jan 11

The Guardian - US forces in Afghanistan are facing fresh accusations of war crimes after film emerged of American marines urinating on dead bodies and laughing.

The US military command in Kabul, which was severely embarrassed last year by revelations that Americans soldiers were running a "kill squad" murdering Afghan civilians, said it will investigate the undated video but that if proves to be authentic then desecration of corpses would be regarded as a serious crime.

In the graphic short video, four soldiers in combat gear and carrying weapons are seen acting in unison as they urinate on three bloodied corpses. One of the soldiers sighs with relief, another says "yeah" and a third laughs. One remarks: "Have a great day, buddy". Another says: "Golden, like a shower".

A fifth soldier films the incident.

The video was posted anonymously on Wednesday along with a caption that said: "scout sniper team 4 with 3rd battalion 2nd marines out of camp lejeune peeing on dead talibans".

Military officials confirmed that the soldiers appear to be carrying rifles of a kind issued to sniper teams in Afghanistan.

A US department of defence spokesman, Captain John Kirby, told CNN: "Regardless of the circumstances or who is in the video, this is egregious, disgusting behaviour. It's hideous. It turned my stomach."


Tina January 11, 2012 - 9:48pm

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a25_1326304673
de·hu·man·ize (d-hym-nz)
tr.v. de·hu·man·ized, de·hu·man·iz·ing, de·hu·man·iz·es
1. To deprive of human qualities such as individuality, compassion, or civility

War Crime?

mcgrande January 12, 2012 - 9:08am

then there is no need to be outraged by the dragging thru the streets of Fallujah right? Or is it only permissible when US troops do atrocities?

Tina January 12, 2012 - 10:25am

a·troc·i·ty (-trs-t)
n. pl. a·troc·i·ties
1. Appalling or atrocious condition, quality, or behavior; monstrousness.
2. An appalling or atrocious act, situation, or object, especially an act of unusual or illegal cruelty inflicted by an armed force on civilians or prisoners.

Stepping out of the bubble of social correctness that is found in a peaceful, civilian environment and entering a world of a marine sniper team operating under extremely dangerous conditions, one must ask the question as to whether the event meets the definition?

mcgrande January 12, 2012 - 11:09am

see any point in condoning the acts of NATO/West while at the same time vilifying whatever atrocities the 'the enemy' does. The soldiers were obvioulsy not in danger while they were pissing away...

Tina January 12, 2012 - 4:19pm

are under your direct employ and therefore your responsibility?

Whose kids was it your responsibility to discipline at the playground?


"The best-informed man is not necessarily the wisest. Indeed there is a danger that precisely in the multiplicity of his knowledge he will lose sight of what is essential."

- Dietrich Bonhoeffer

Escher Sketch January 12, 2012 - 6:55pm

employed by our govt in our war zone our military leaders are responsible for and their actions. I'm just tired of the fog of war excuses for when our 'good' guys do things that make it even harder for the majority of military personnel who manage not to act like assholes.

Tina January 12, 2012 - 7:46pm

...these are ostensibly professionals. Professionals don't do this sort of shit. Accomplished professionals understand the importance of empathy and even minimally trained professionals understand the pointless tit for tat this can engender.

Personally, I don't think this makes them a great deal more or less evil than the average poor fuck caught up in the maelstrom that is warfare, but I damned sure think it disqualifies them from sitting behind an M40A3 (or, in fact, doing much other than peeling potatoes at Lejeune or Pendleton while waiting for their discharge).

"In combat one should be very suspicious of painless moral choices. When you are confronted with a seemingly painless moral choice, the odds are that you haven't looked deeply enough." ~ Karl Marlantes

JustPlainDave January 12, 2012 - 9:10pm

Well said.


"The best-informed man is not necessarily the wisest. Indeed there is a danger that precisely in the multiplicity of his knowledge he will lose sight of what is essential."

- Dietrich Bonhoeffer

Escher Sketch January 12, 2012 - 10:05pm

WASHINGTON (AP) – Afghan President Hamid Karzai on Thursday condemned as "completely inhumane" a video that purports to depict four U.S. Marines urinating on the corpses of Taliban fighters. Pentagon officials said commanders believe they have identified the men's unit and that it is back in the United States.

A statement from Afghan President Hamid Karzai urged the U.S. military to punish Marines who apparently urinated on the corpses of Taliban fighters.

The Marine Corps said Wednesday it was investigating the YouTube video but had not yet verified its origin or authenticity. The case has been referred to the Naval Criminal Investigative Service, the Navy's worldwide law enforcement organization.

In a statement, Karzai called on the U.S. military to punish the Marines. The Afghan Ministry of Defense also condemned the actions in the video, which it described as "shocking."

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The NATO-led security force in Afghanistan released a statement Thursday saying, "This disrespectful act is inexplicable and not in keeping with the high moral standards we expect of coalition forces."

The actions "appear to have been conducted by a small group of U.S. individuals, who apparently are no longer serving in Afghanistan," the International Security Assistance Force said. The statement did not identify the personnel or explain why the ISAF thought they had left the country.

Sen. John McCain, a Navy veteran who fought and was held prisoner in the Vietnam war, said the incident "makes me so sad."

McCain, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, called the Marine Corps one of America's strongest institutions and said its image has apparently been tarnished by "a handful of obviously undisciplined people."

"There should be an investigation and these young people should be punished," McCain said Thursday on CBS This Morning.

Pentagon officials said the criminal investigation would likely look into whether the Marines violated laws of war, which include prohibitions against photographing bodies and detainees and a range of other rules.

The video, posted on the Internet, shows the Marines in combat gear, standing in a semi-circle over three bodies. It's not clear whether the dead were Taliban or civilians or someone else. The title on the posting said they were Taliban insurgents, but it was unclear whether that title was added by the person who took the video or the person who posted it, Marine Corps officials in Washington said.

On Wednesday, the Council on Islamic-American Relations, a prominent Muslim civil rights and advocacy group based in Washington, protested the video in a letter faxed to Defense Secretary Leon Panetta.

"We condemn this apparent desecration of the dead as a violation of our nation's military regulations and of international laws of war prohibiting such disgusting and immoral actions," the group wrote.

"If verified as authentic, the video shows behavior that is totally unbecoming of American military personnel and that could ultimately endanger other soldiers and civilians," the letter said.

Marine Corps headquarters at the Pentagon said: "The actions portrayed are not consistent with our core values and are not indicative of the character of the Marines in our Corps. This matter will be fully investigated."

A Marine Corps spokesman, Lt. Col. Stewart Upton, added, "Allegations of Marines not doing the right thing in regard to dead Taliban insurgents are very serious and, if proven, represent a failure to adhere to the high standards expected of American military personnel."

A Pentagon spokesman, Navy Capt. John Kirby, said the video is deeply troubling.

"Whoever it is, and whatever the circumstances — which we know is under investigation — it is egregious behavior," Kirby said.

It is unclear who shot the video and who posted it online.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/story/2012-01-12/marines-taliban-corpses/52511346/1

Tina January 12, 2012 - 10:44am

My reaction, too, was bewilderment at the mis-directed horror. Why exactly were these men killed? None appear to be armed. (Indeed, were they even all men? The blue clothing on the body to the left looks like a blue Afghan burqa). What went on there? Were they lined up like that before or after they were killed? What sort of "war" has this ever been anyway?

For note, it was not the killing of these men that worried the Marine Corps in the US – it was the pissing. Nothing wrong in killing amid the "core values" of the Marine Corps; you just shouldn't urinate on the corpses. And even more to the point: YOU MUSTN'T DO IT ON CAMERA! Too late. It comes to this. Armies are horrible creatures and soldiers do wicked things but when we accept all these lies about "bad apples" and the exceptionalism of crime in war – "there may have been some excesses" is the usual dictator-speak – we are accepting war and going along with the dishonesty of it and we are making it more possible and easier and the killings and rapes more excusable and more frequent.

Chickadee January 13, 2012 - 1:44am

TruthDig, By Mr. Fish, January 23

My first reaction to the video released recently of the four U.S. Marines urinating on the bodies of dead Afghans was that it was too ham-fisted and bombastic a metaphor to add anything of real value to the ongoing critique and analysis of this country’s über-mortiferous foreign policy. Similarly, if I were to see a video of a 500-pound CEO wearing a top hat, spats, a monocle and a watch chain walking through an Indonesian sweatshop while lighting a cigar with a $1,000 bill, I doubt that my disgust and outrage would have anything more substantial than an apparitional cliché into which to anchor its cleats. Watching these soldiers, deeply tanned from hours of volleyball back at the base no doubt, cheerfully peeing all over the bodies of indigenes, I felt as if I were looking at a Sue Coe painting that had been brought to life and then handed over to the Capitol Steps to assiduously overact, the stereotype of the Ugly American being turned up to 11 for those in the back of the Mark Russell Bawditorium who might be hard of sneering.

Rather than being presented with an inspirational image that rivals the famous Joe Rosenthal photograph of the five Marines and one Navy corpsman raising the U.S. flag at the top of Mount Suribachi during the Battle of Iwo Jima, the iGeneration is stuck with the image of four ebullient Marines outfitted with the most sophisticated weaponry available anywhere in the world, including body armor and what might be Versace sunglasses, pissing on three corpses of Taliban fighters who are all gaunt and barefoot and wearing clothes better suited for Frisbee or beach barbecue or Andrew Lloyd Webber.

Raja January 26, 2012 - 12:04am

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