The Bombing of Mumbai

Bombay | November 26

Mumbai attacks: 60 hours of chaos and carnage

For three nights, a small group of young but highly-trained Islamic militants managed to transform India's economic capital into a war zone, killing indiscriminately and hunting foreign hostages while holding off crack commandos.

Indian security officials said at least a dozen attackers slipped into Mumbai by sea in two small dinghies on Wednesday evening, having been dropped off near the coast by a larger ship.

Indian media and intelligence sources said other militants may have already been pre-positioned in the city, including in two targetted luxury hotels, along with stockpiled arms and ammunition.

The siege was finally ended 60 hours later, with at least 195 dead and 295 wounded.

** Pakistan Won’t Send Intelligence Head to India, Government Says
** Blood in Mumbai
** Bound by sorrows


UPDATE Nov 28


Mumbai terror attacks: Indian troops storm last militant hideouts

Indian soldiers stormed the last hideouts of Islamist militants in Mumbai this morning as the bloody confrontations that have left at least 143 dead and hundreds injured moved into their second day.

Masked Indian commandos were dropped by helicopter onto the roof of the city's Jewish centre where Islamist gunmen are still holding out.

The sound of bursts of gunfire and blasts from concussion grenades reverberated around the narrow streets near Nariman House. Tear gas drifted from the building.

** Pakistan president blames "non-state actors" for Mumbai attack
** India says trawler may have delivered attackers
** 'Mumbai attack shows new sophisticated face of terror'
** Commandos Storm Mumbai Jewish Center, Scour Hotels
** Indian papers flail intelligence failures in Mumbai attacks

NOTE: Also see Rajesh's updates in comments, he is in North West Bombay. Updated articles in comments. Previous updates after the jump.

UPDATE:

Mumbai attacks: Taj Hotel hostages rescued

MUMBAI: All hostages at Taj hotel here have been rescued, but there could be some still trapped at Trident hotel and Nariman House where operations were on to flush out terrorists, said today, ruling out any negotiations with the ultras.

All people trapped in Taj Hotel in Mumbai rescued. No hostage-like situation there right now, said Director General of Police (DGP) A N Roy. "There are still guests in the rooms, but we won't be able to give you a number," he said.

Firing is on between NSG commandos and terrorists, according to reports. More bodies have been found inside the hotel, reports suggest.

Four suicide bombers have reportedly been killed in the Taj hotel.

Giving details of the terror attacks which began last night, Roy said terrorists struck in quick succession and in all there was shooting in 12 places.



UPDATE:


Terror attacks in Mumbai; 80 dead, over 900 injured

Mumbai: In one of the most violent terror attacks on Indian soil, Mumbai came under an unprecedented night attack as terrorists used heavy machine guns ncluding AK-47s, and grenades to strike at the city's most high-profile targets -- the hyper-busy CST (formerly VT) rail terminus; the landmark Taj Hotel at the Gateway and the luxury Oberoi Trident at Nariman Point; the domestic airport at Santa Cruz; the Cama and GT hospitals near CST; the Metro Adlabs multiplex and Mazgaon Dockyard -- killing at least 80 and sending more than 900 to hospital, according to latest reports

The attacks occurred at the busiest places. Besides hotels and hospitals, terrorists struck at railway stations, Crawford Market, Wadi Bunder and on the Western Express Highway near the airport. Several of these places are within a one-km radius of the commissioner of police's office.

"This is definitely a terrorist strike. Seven places have been attacked with automatic weapons and grenades. Terrorists are still holed up in three locations Taj and Oberoi hotels and GT Hospital. Encounters are on at all three places," said Maharashtra DGP A N Roy.

Metro Junction resident Manoj Goel said: "My brother, Manish, died in the firing at Colaba's Hamaal Galli." Cops fired back at the men -- probably from one of the Lashkar groups, dressed in black and with backpacks and SRPF, Crime Branch, ATS and teams of military commandos were summoned to the spot. Train services at CST were suspended and all roads leading to and from south Mumbai were blockaded.



Original LINK

Bombay under attack by gun-toting and low-intensity bombs-exploding men/terrorists

Terrorists struck at India's financial capital late Wednesday night as at least five near-simultaneous firings and explosions rocked areas in the vicinity of posh hotels in South Mumbai, leaving two persons dead and ten injured.

Armed with AK-47 rifles and grenades, a couple of terrorists entered the passenger hall of crowded Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminal (CST) railway station and opened fire and threw a grenade killing two to three persons, Mumbai General Railway Police Commissioner A K Sharma said. He did not give details.

He, however, said 10 persons, including a policeman, were injured in the CST incident.

Eyewitnesses said some people suspected to be terrorists entered the CST building from outside the reservation counter and opened fire indiscriminately.

Two explosions also went off outside CST and eyewitnesses reported they heard gunshots outside the railway station building.

Firing was reported at Colaba, Nariman Point and near Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminal, formerly Victoria Terminus, and it was still continuing.

Some people were injured in the firing near Trident hotel, formerly Oberoi hotel, and taken to a nearby hospital in police vans and ambulance.


Rajesh Gajra November 28, 2008 - 5:21am
( categories: News | Asia: South-West )

Having posted that news report above, now I can say that I am familiar with all those places in south Bombay which have been attacked. I used to visit a few of them off and on as part of my work and one of them, Leopold Cafe, just to have some beer.
Tonight, as the incidents unfolded at around 10 pm, I was at my home which is in north-west Bombay, 35 kms away from the affected spots in south Bombay.
I have uploaded a rough map guide of the affected area on my blog. Its at http://natant.blogspot.com/2008/11/life-in-general-terrorists-attack.html

Rajesh Gajra November 26, 2008 - 2:29pm

What is going on? Is it a religious thing, a Tamil thing? Angry bankers? Farmers? There are so many odd layers to Indian politics & weird militant formations, Naxalites, Sikhs, religious alignments, Kashmir, etc. And of course that thingy they call "Pakistan."

And then there's all the stuff the Research and Analysis Wing, India's external intelligence agency, has been doing up in Nepal, playing both sides in the disputes there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_and_Analysis_Wing

It seems like India ends up intervening in its own way in various regional groups and disputes; I wonder if terrorist incidents like this are linked like a kind of blowback?

It would be nice to get a more full view of the strategic situation for India - both domestic unrest and what happens with this regional hegemon and other nearby powers, large and small.

Someday when I'm not paying down the debts I really want to visit India, particularly the south.
--
Hongpong.com

HongPong November 26, 2008 - 3:47pm

We will have to just wait for some genuine answers to reveal themselves. My immediate intuition says this could be the handiwork of Muslim extremists taking out their anger at some perceived global support for Indian government on something something. I don't know for sure. But, to be sure, even Hindu extremist groups have been active in recent months executing bomb blasts at areas in India where Muslims are more in number.

Rajesh Gajra November 26, 2008 - 4:03pm

Taliban trained by Bin Laden and Co. or ISI trained. I would bet on Al-Qaeda, based in north west pakistan.

mcgrande November 26, 2008 - 4:47pm

Could be. They are equipped and trained for such kind of co-ordinated, serial attacks.

Rajesh Gajra November 26, 2008 - 4:57pm

As the intense nature of tragedy unfolds in Bombay this new morning (it is 10.45 am as I write this) the question that is coming to most people's mind is 'Who did it, where did they come from last night, how many were involved?'.
It looks like a very organised operation that could have emanted from outside Bombay itself, except for recce operations done earlier. Very few terrorist groups have the capabilities to carry out operations of such a heinous nature -- Al Queda and 1-2 other Muslim extremist groups being the most prominent. It appears to be their doing.
But police and Indian intelligence agencies did have a whiff of this, for sure. The targets -- 5-star hotels and large railway stations -- were commonly known, but the likely dates of the strikes could never have been easily forecastable by anyone.

One more point: its not only foreigners that have suffered casualties, local Bombayite-Indians have too. See the first news link below.
Some latest news updates:

http://www.mumbaimirror.com/article/2/2008112720081127052909183f8211afb/Night-of-terror

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/100_people_trapped_in_Taj_Oberoi_hotels_firing_on/articleshow/3762100.cms

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Massive-fire-breaks-out-in-Taj-hotel/391221/

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Terrified_guests_recount_night_of_horror_in_hotel/articleshow/3762708.cms?TOI_latestnews

Rajesh Gajra November 27, 2008 - 12:20am

This report says casualties are higher:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Terrorists_strike_Mumbai_80_dead_250_hurt/articleshow/3761410.cms

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The terror strike which began at 10:33 PM at Chhatrapathi Shivaji Terminus(CST), formerly known as the Victoria Terminus(VT), claimed 10 lives in the premises of the station alone, police said.

Three persons were killed in a bomb explosion in a taxi on Mazegaon dockyard road and an equal number were gunned down at Taj Hotel. The victims in the hotel were its employees.

The lobby of the Oberoi hotel was on fire and the hotel evacuated, eyewitnesses said.

Maharashtra DGP A N Roy said tonight's attack in "at least seven places" is a "terror strike."

Sharma said 30 persons were injured in the CST incident. Commandoes were rushed to the CST which wore a deserted look and train services suspended.

The NSG commandos were on standby and national disaster response force unit is being rushed to Mumbai, the Ministry of Home Affairs officials said.

Some people were injured in the firing in Oberoi hotel, and taken to a nearby hospital in police vans and ambulance. Firing was also reported in Taj hotel.

Firing was reported at Colaba, Nariman Point and near Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminal, formerly Victoria Terminus and it was still continuing.

Firing was also reported at Cama Hospital in south Mumbai, police said, adding that a blast was reported in a taxi under a flyover in suburban Vile Parle. A bomb went off in a taxi in Mazegaon dockyard road.

SRPF personnel then entered the iconic BMC building -- just opposite CST -- to take aim at the assailants, BMC commissioner Jairaj Phatak said. "We fear some of the assailants are still inside the station and we want to catch them if they come out," a police official said.

Vikhroli police station senior inspector Habib Ansari was on his way to work from his Colaba home when he saw two armed men, with sophisticated weaponry, trying to run into bylanes near the Gateway of India.

"I rushed back to Colaba and all policemen, including GRP and RPF personnel, were called up," he added.

Bhisham Mansukhani, a journalist, was attending a wedding reception at the Taj's Crystal Room. "I was inside the bar when glass shards almost hit my eye," he said. "More than 200 people were escorted inside Chambers, a business centre inside the hotel," he added.

Rajesh Gajra November 26, 2008 - 2:49pm

As many in Bombay, rest of India and rest of world, take stock of the real casualties figure and the potential real details of terrorists' entry/operations/motives & lack/disregard of intelligence agencies' alerts (http://www.mumbaimirror.com/article/15/20081129200811291119513862f1fe0c1/I-want-to-live, http://www.mid-day.com/news/2008/nov/281108-News-Mumbai-RPSF-deployed-CST-Station-7-11-blasts-Terror-attacks.htm , http://www.indianexpress.com/news/lashkar-came-via-sea-from-karachi-used-gujarat-boat-to-reach-mumbai/391642/3), a few random thoughts and 1/2 personal experiences that I want to share:

1. I have been to Taj, Oberoi and Leopold many times across many years, the first two for attending work-related seminars/conferences and the last for a glass of beer. About 7 weeks ago, when I went to Taj (i was going after a gap of about 3 months), and as I went to the secondary entrance that faces the sea directly (and not the primary one that faces the Gateway side) I saw it was closed and completely barricaded. So I made my way to the primary entrance and there was struck by an unprecedented security check with 2/3/4 gun-toting security men standing at the entrance. My shoulder bag was checked thoroughly. I had a bit of argument with the security guard telling them that while it is fine for them to check bags of mine and visitors why were they not opening the bags of the guests who were checking in to stay at the hotel. Seeing my verbal conversation with the security guard a black-coated Taj manager who was standing there near the entrance walked up to me and sternly asked me what was wrong. I told him, but by then I had seen that check-in guests' bags were going through a metal detector itself (that though begs the question of how plastic explosives can be detected as has been bought out by this week's terrorist attacks where plastic explosives were taken in).
The point I am making above is that intelligence agencies' alerts had already reached the managements of most of the biggest hotels in Bombay. A TV news channel, Headlines Today, is in fact just now (as I write this at 3 pm) reporting that it has a 'top secret' letter by Indian intelligence agencies to the Bombay police that in their interrogations with captured terrorists in Uttar Pradesh and other places in north India they have been told that Pakistan's ISI and even Pakistan's Navy is involved in training terrorists to launch an unprecedented, well-organised offensive through the sea route from Karachi to Bombay.
This letter is apparently dated December 2006, but the unprecedented security checks I mention above started only about 2/3/4 months back. Nevertheless, there were clear threat perceptions. But the Taj Hotel management (and also the Oberoi Hotel management) did not take adequate measures to protect every corner of the hotel. As I quoted a Colaba-residing friend of mine the terrorists gained entry in the Taj from a shop at the backside and the shop opened outside on the street as well had a door that opened inside the hotel. Why didn't the Taj management keep gun-toting security men continuously (for 24 hours and not just during peak-time daytime hours) at all ground-floor corners and sides of their hotel/s from the inside and the outside? Instead of blaming the government, Ratan Tata should have taken his hotel's management to task for not taking seriously the threat perceptions emanating intensely from the intelligence agencies. Night-time security checks also seems to have been lax compared to day-time security checks.

2. The TV news channels (and not so much the print media although many of them too) have focussed 99% of their news coverage on three places--Taj, Oberoi and Nariman House--and have not culled/scoped out the happenings at VT station, Leopold Cafe and Cama Hospital. There is much to be reported and analysed from these other places as well. VT station, for instance, saw over 50-60 casualties and Leopold saw over 25.

3. Even at this time of tragedy, the inefficiencies and corrupt bureaucracy of state/private administration continue to trouble the relatives of the victims and the missing. Also, the Colaba Police Station that is opposite Cafe Leopold, had the most pathetically inept response when the firings were going on at Leopold and they could easily hear. They were deliberately slow in reaching that place (even though it was less than 20-30 metres away) and in fact like cowards closed the gate of their police station. Residents in Colaba, who know about them, of course say they did not expect any better from the Colaba police station which could perhaps rank among the top 5 corrupt and brutal police stations in Bombay and in the top 10-20 in India. Had Colaba police station officers counter-attacked the terrorists at or near Leopold Cafe itself those guys could have never reached Taj Hotel. But their police officers are so steeped in corruption they have lost all ability for any concrete action involving using their guns to take on the real goons or in this case the terrorists.

4. Pakistan's ISI is perhaps the worst official agency in the world that cleverly aids terrorists' activities and has been doing so for many years. For India to put pressure on Pakistan's current democratic pressure is being foolish. The ISI in Pakistan, closely affiliated to the Pakistani military, is a law unto itself and has to be tackled directly bypassing whoever is the Pakistani government. For this, in fact, India should shed its cowardliness and take on the United States of America that in the past and even now (discreetly though) has looked the other way if not actively coordinated with the ISI.And if the US can attack Taliban inside Afghanistan, and if Israel can carry out operations inside its neigbouring countries including Palestine, and if Russia can carry out operations inside Georgia, then India can too carry out operations in the mountains of Pakistan where these terrorist groups receive their training.
Many of general Pakistani citizens do not like their country's ISI and extremist elements. By blaming Pakistan as a country where its citizens do not have enough democratic rights is according to me not wise at all.

5. It also needs to be told that the owners (two of them -- Faizad and one more) of Leopold Cafe are racist against locals, Bombayites and Indians and give extra-special treatment to the foreigners. I say this from personal experience, and therefore avoid going there to the extent possible. I don't blame the waiters but I think the waiters are specially trained by the two owners to be like this.

6. What has happened is 'private' terror, that is, private groups (though backed by overseas official agencies like the ISI) have carried it out fighting state forces in India/Bombay. But we ought to remember the ugly consequences of other forms of terror that feeds into the private terror groups. And one of them is 'state' terror. India is not at all clean on this. The state-sponsored genocide in Gujarat in February-March 2002 and continued boycott/harassment/denial-of-rights of the Muslims in Gujarat stands out as one of the worst forms of state-sponsored terror anywhere in the world. Then, the US-UK-Australia invasion of Iraq in March 2003 and continued forced occupation of Iraq is even a worse kind of state terror than Gujarat was because the entire country of Iraq and all its citizens have been hurt badly by the American-British forces.

Rajesh Gajra November 26, 2008 - 3:15pm

McGrande also posted on this, with more articles in comments


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Tina November 26, 2008 - 3:38pm

My heart goes to the near and dear ones of those who have died in these ugly attacks and to those who have got seriously injured.
Few questions come to my mind, in the case of the 2 hotels. If the gunmen have killed people inside, that is in the hotel lobby, then how come they were able to take guns and perhaps also grenades inside in the first place? The stringent security checks should have prevented that. Or, is it that the gunmen started firing from outside, overpowered or killed some security guards and forcibly entered the hotels' lobbies? Answers will come in next 1-2 days in the local media here, hopefully.

Rajesh Gajra November 26, 2008 - 3:40pm

...step and simply assaulted the security checkpoint - that would be my bet. Been a number of attacks like that of late - different jurisdictions, but the bad guys do pay attention to what works elsewhere.

“The absence of any US-Iran bilateral channel...may have the perverse effect of reinforcing Iranian interest in progressing in the nuclear realm so that the US will be forced to take it seriously and engage it directly." ~ Richard Haass

JustPlainDave November 26, 2008 - 4:20pm

Yep. Looks like that's what happened, although I can say from my personal visit to the Taj Hotel about 7 weeks back the security guards over there were many in number and were checking every one of us entering the hotel thoroughly. They also had guns on them. So, maybe they did fight the terrorists and killed 1/2/3 maybe and some of them might have also got killed.

Rajesh Gajra November 26, 2008 - 4:28pm

A friend of mine who stays at Colaba tells me this:
"There is a shop at the backside of Taj Hotel that was closed last night. First there is a iron grill door with a lock, then a glass door entrance. The terrorists first broke open the lock of the iron door, then shattered the glass door, went inside the shop and then through that the other side of the shop that opens into the hotel they entered the hotel and went on to the lobby. They did this confidently and opened fire when inside."

Rajesh Gajra November 27, 2008 - 10:26am

Al-Qaeda elements have used suicide bombers either on foot or car/truck to clear defensive personnel or to breach hardend targets in conjuction with on foot assult teams to follow and of late with cover fire from sniper positions as support.

mcgrande November 26, 2008 - 4:51pm

...down this early, I would probably go with LeT, but I don't know enough about the dynamics - particularly recent ones - for that to be anything more than speculation.

“The absence of any US-Iran bilateral channel...may have the perverse effect of reinforcing Iranian interest in progressing in the nuclear realm so that the US will be forced to take it seriously and engage it directly." ~ Richard Haass

JustPlainDave November 26, 2008 - 5:03pm

of the Indian Embassy in Kabul several weeks ago and a discussion i heard just yesterday concerning movement of Al-Qaeda located with the Pashtun
providers migrating toward Kashmir. Should India and Pakistan reduce tensions further Pakistan can move more troops etc to aid in the inevitable large scale offensive in the tribal areas. If Al Qaeda can stoke tensions (they will show they came from Pakistan) it will help maintain tensions on the Paki/Indian border.

mcgrande November 26, 2008 - 5:18pm

Multiple attacks in Mumbai, 80 dead, hostages taken
26 Nov 2008 20:27:53 GMT
Source: Reuters
(Adds reports of police chief killed)

By Phil Smith

MUMBAI, Nov 26 (Reuters) - At least 80 people were killed in attacks apparently aimed at tourists in India's financial capital Mumbai on Wednesday night and television channels said Westerners were being held hostage at two five-star hotels.

At least 250 people were wounded, police said. Indian television channels reported the chief of Mumbai's police anti-terrorist squad, Hemant Karkare, was among those killed.

Attackers targeted the Cafe Leopold, perhaps the most famous restaurant and hang-out for tourists in Mumbai, as well as hospitals and railway stations.

"I guess they were after foreigners, because they were asking for British or American passports," said Rakesh Patel, a British witness who lives in Hong Kong and was staying at the Taj hotel on business. "They had bombs."

"They came from the restaurant and took us up the stairs," he told the NDTV news channel, smoke stains all over his face. "Young boys, maybe 20 years old, 25 years old. They had two guns."

India has suffered a wave of bomb attacks in recent years. Most have been blamed on Islamist militants, although police have also arrested suspected Hindu extremists thought to be behind some of the attacks.

Police said targets included the luxury Taj and Oberoi hotels, with television stations showing the lobby of both hotels on fire and people being evacuated from the Oberoi with their hands on their heads.

Fresh explosions were heard in the early hours of Thursday.

"An encounter is going on at the two hotels, the situation is grave," Vilasrao Deshmukh, the chief minister told CNN-IBN TV. "Our men are on the job."

Maharashtra state police chief A.N. Roy said attackers had fired automatic weapons indiscriminately, and used grenades, adding that they were still holed up in some buildings.

"These are terrorist strikes in at least seven places," he told the NDTV news channel.

"Unknown terrorists have gone with automatic weapons and opened fire indiscriminately. At a few places they even used grenades."

Some of the injured were evacuated from the Taj on the hotel's golden luggage carts, while waiters in black and white formal wear and chefs were seen leaving the Oberoi.

"The lobby of the Taj hotel is on fire," a police spokesman said. "We are trying to find out how many people are inside the hotel."

more


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Tina November 26, 2008 - 3:43pm

What could this mean? It could hold some significance.

http://news.in.msn.com/national/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1709226

ATF chief, encounter specialist killed

Mumbai: Three top police officials, including Mumbai Police Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) chief Hemant Karkare, were among the nine police officers killed as security forces took on terrorists in Mumbai in the early hours of Thursday, authorities said.
Additional Police Commissioner Ashok Kamte, Mumbai Police 'encounter specialist' Vijay Salaskar were also killed in separate gun battles following a series of attacks in India's financial capital, the officials said.
Karkare was heading investigations into several recent cases of terrorist attacks here. There were six other police officials among the dozens killed in the coordinated terror attacks late Wednesday night.
Indo-Asian News Service

Rajesh Gajra November 26, 2008 - 3:49pm

...that they needed every qualified shooter manning the line, regardless of rank.

“The absence of any US-Iran bilateral channel...may have the perverse effect of reinforcing Iranian interest in progressing in the nuclear realm so that the US will be forced to take it seriously and engage it directly." ~ Richard Haass

JustPlainDave November 26, 2008 - 4:13pm

It probably means these gallant officers were commanding from the front.

mcgrande November 26, 2008 - 4:56pm

Yep. What both of you say makes sense. But in the murky world of Bombay police and governmental secrets anything is possible. But, again, maybe not in this instance.

Rajesh Gajra November 26, 2008 - 5:05pm

My hunch was right. I spoke with a close acquaintance and it does appear that Hemant Karkare, one of the anti-terrorist cell (ATC) chiefs, that got killed yesterday, died in mysteriously unexplainable circumstance yesterday. He was apparently shot by a sniper or something like that and it is very unlikely that the overseas/Pakistan-based attackers of Bombay would know they were shooting a chief. There is something very majorly wrong in the police-ATC-government-politicians-Hindu extremists nexus/hotchpotch that has led to 1/2/3 of these senior police guys being killed yesterday night.

Rajesh Gajra November 27, 2008 - 7:33am

think this was a couple groups working together? This is interesting:

Mumbai police asked that Twitterers keep quiet


"Go confidently in the direction of your dreams! Live the life you've imagined." -Henry David Thoreau

Tina November 27, 2008 - 7:38am

...any number of quite odd rumours swirling right now that don't pan out in the event. Dropping the guy with a sniper sounds to me to be spectacular enough that it's all too possible that it's the product of someone's imagination / misheard / misunderstood construction, if not outright hostile IO [information operations]. Policing in your town is a lot more "exotic" than I'm familiar with (to put it mildly!), but simple is still a lot more likely than complex. Last thing y'all need to be doing right now, MHO, is chasing wild hares - particularly ones that may have corrosive effects on social trust - comes right down to it, it's in large part what these jerks strike against in order to facilitate whatever other objectives they may have.

“The absence of any US-Iran bilateral channel...may have the perverse effect of reinforcing Iranian interest in progressing in the nuclear realm so that the US will be forced to take it seriously and engage it directly." ~ Richard Haass

JustPlainDave November 27, 2008 - 7:54am

tell the India PM, he be rabbit hunting


"Go confidently in the direction of your dreams! Live the life you've imagined." -Henry David Thoreau

Tina November 27, 2008 - 7:59am

“The absence of any US-Iran bilateral channel...may have the perverse effect of reinforcing Iranian interest in progressing in the nuclear realm so that the US will be forced to take it seriously and engage it directly." ~ Richard Haass

JustPlainDave November 27, 2008 - 8:09am

Bombay police and simple? Makes me laugh. Obviously, you guys know nothing about the dynamics that take place here. Even if it is simple in your towns (which I doubt a lot though) it does not mean it is like that everywhere. So, to be blindly in favour of simplicity in these matters is in my view being in the dark!

Rajesh Gajra November 27, 2008 - 8:27am

...here.

“The absence of any US-Iran bilateral channel...may have the perverse effect of reinforcing Iranian interest in progressing in the nuclear realm so that the US will be forced to take it seriously and engage it directly." ~ Richard Haass

JustPlainDave November 27, 2008 - 8:34am

Hemant Karkare was even wearing a bullet-proof vest and a helmet before dying mysteriously. Now I am getting convinced that he was bumped off not by the terrorists but on account of internal Bombay police/Maharashtra state government/Indian central government/Hindu extremist group dynamics. Karkare was recently investigating the role of newly-active (since last 3-4 years) Hindu extremist groups' role in some of the recent bomb blasts in the country. He was a marked man by the religious fanatic elements in the Bombay police force and the overall Indian police forces.

Rajesh Gajra November 27, 2008 - 9:30am

...the following:

Sudhir Dalvi, a sub-inspector attached to the Mumbai cell of the Anti-Terrorist Squad, told Sheela Bhatt for Rediff.com that his boss, ATS chief Hemant Karkare, and senior police officers Vijay Salaskar and Additional Commissioner of Police Ashok Kamte, were killed in an incident outside Mumbai's Cama Hospital.

"Our chief Karkare, my senior officer Salaskar and ACP Kamte died while engaging terrorists outside the Cama hospital," a sobbing Dalvi told Rediff.com. "All of a sudden, terrorists threw grenades at Karkare leading to chaos. We are unable to confirm whether they fell to terrorist fire or were killed by the grenades."

Don't know enough about the source to evaluate, so caveat emptor.

“The absence of any US-Iran bilateral channel...may have the perverse effect of reinforcing Iranian interest in progressing in the nuclear realm so that the US will be forced to take it seriously and engage it directly." ~ Richard Haass

JustPlainDave November 27, 2008 - 8:25am

Mumbai Mirror, a daily newspaper affiliated to the Times of India, is carrying a real-time snippets updates on this page:
http://www.mumbaimirror.com/article/15/2008112620081126225737871602ddf01/Mumbai-under-seige-Maharashtra-under-red-alert

Rajesh Gajra November 26, 2008 - 3:56pm

Suspected terrorists attempt to hijack Taj Mahal hotel. Firing and bomb blasts 9 places in Mumbai. 60 killed, 30 injured.. Nigerian terrorist gang suspected to be involved. Attempt has been to capture Taj Mahal hotel


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Tina November 26, 2008 - 4:19pm

But it has stopped updating since a hour back or there are some problems with its website.

Rajesh Gajra November 26, 2008 - 5:14pm

with the usual mix of repeated information and a trickle of new news, yes in English ....

http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/video_streaming.php

some source or "source" suggested that the terrorists came in by sea....



Yes, I can come up with a post-election signature, just... not... yet...

nymole November 26, 2008 - 6:34pm

Thaindian News reporting:

Two boys, working at the Gateway of India, claim they saw the terrorists behind the most audacious terror strike in the country, loaded with big rucksacks alighting at the jetty and opening fire indiscriminately a few minutes later. “I saw some men with rucksacks alighting from a boat Wednesday night. I asked them where they wanted to go but they retorted it was none of my business,” a 13-year-old boy told CNN-IBN news channel.

Another boy, who saw them unloading heavy bags, said: “They were in a great hurry and immediately rushed away from here.”

According to intelligence agencies, the terrorists landed at the Gateway of India jetty, across the road from the 565-room Taj Mahal Palace and Tower Hotel, one of the seven places in the city they attacked Wednesday night.

After landing, the assailants commandeered vehicles to attack the Chhatrapati Shivaji railway station, the Leopold café and entered the Taj and the Oberoi Trident hotels where they held tourists as hostages.

graham November 27, 2008 - 5:13am

info on who are the terrorists... whether local or foreign, Hindu or Muslim or Bhuddist, religious, nationalist, etc...

I worry for my friends in the area, both Indian and other

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justadood November 26, 2008 - 4:16pm

over here --> http://ibnlive.in.com/photogallery/1117.html

edit to add: Warning! graphic ~ tina

Rajesh Gajra November 26, 2008 - 4:31pm

CNA
Posted: 27 November 2008 0523 hrs

MUMBAI, India: A group calling itself the 'Deccan Mujahedeen' claimed responsibility for Wednesday's attacks in India's commercial hub Mumbai that killed more than 60 people, the Press Trust of India said.

The outfit sent emails to various media outlets saying it carried out the attacks across the city, the news agency said.

Another little-known Islamic group, the Islamic Security Force-Indian Mujahedeen, had claimed responsibility for serial blasts last month in India's northeast state of Assam that claimed nearly 80 lives.

Six weeks earlier, the capital New Delhi had been hit by a series of bombs in crowded markets that left more than 20 dead.

Those blasts were claimed by a group calling itself the Indian Mujahedeen. - AFP/de


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Tina November 26, 2008 - 4:35pm

I would be wary of all such emails being sent to media and being purported to come from the executor group. Any one (say a Hindu group, can type in content making arguments and claims that it knows a Muslim group would have cause to make) can type that out and send claiming to this group or that group.
The Delhi markets blasts referred to in this news story was, according to me, the handiwork of Hindu extremist groups (that have started operations 3-4 years back) and not Muslim extremist groups.

Rajesh Gajra November 26, 2008 - 4:50pm

Lashkar-i-Taiba mentioned too, they are rightfully playing that down.

I found this from Sept. where the Indian mujadeen threaten Mumbai.


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Tina November 26, 2008 - 5:11pm

Nothing is foolproof. Indian Mujahideen could be real or could be not. But it does not matter because it is ultimately some Muslim extremist groups who are involved in quite some of the blasts while of late even Hindu extremist groups has also got involved in 3-4 blast cases.

Rajesh Gajra November 27, 2008 - 12:41pm

report


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Tina November 26, 2008 - 4:44pm

Can Agonist moderators please replace the newsreport content given at the top-most with a latest one?

Times of India is now flashing this updated report on its site:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Terrorists_strike_Mumbai_16_dead_many_hurt/articleshow/3761410.cms

Mumbai: In one of the most violent terror attacks on Indian soil, Mumbai came under an unprecedented night attack as terrorists used heavy machine guns ncluding AK-47s, and grenades to strike at the city's most high-profile targets -- the hyper-busy CST (formerly VT) rail terminus; the landmark Taj Hotel at the Gateway and the luxury Oberoi Trident at Nariman Point; the domestic airport at Santa Cruz; the Cama and GT hospitals near CST; the Metro Adlabs multiplex and Mazgaon Dockyard -- killing at least 80 and sending more than 900 to hospital, according to latest reports
....Two terrorists were reported holed up inside the Oberoi Hotel. Fresh firing has been reported at Oberoi and Army has entered the hotel to flush out the terrorists.
...Well after midnight, sources said two of the terrorists were shot and wounded at Girgaum in south Mumbai. The two were driving in a commandeered silver-coloured Skoda car. Earlier, these men had sprayed bullets from a police Bolero, outside the Metro Adlabs multiplex.

The attacks occurred at the busiest places. Besides hotels and hospitals, terrorists struck at railway stations, Crawford Market, Wadi Bunder and on the Western Express Highway near the airport. Several of these places are within a one-km radius of the commissioner of police's office.

"This is definitely a terrorist strike. Seven places have been attacked with automatic weapons and grenades. Terrorists are still holed up in three locations Taj and Oberoi hotels and GT Hospital. Encounters are on at all three places," said Maharashtra DGP A N Roy.

St George's Hospital and G T Hospital were said to have received 75 bodies and more than 250 injured people, additional municipal commissioner R A Rajeev said. Bombay Hospital got two bodies and 30 injured people were admitted there; Cooper Hospital, Vile Parle, got three dismembered bodies.

Three of the deaths occurred inside the Taj and one G T Hospital attendant died in a shootout inside the hospital. There were reports of people cowering under tables and chairs at both the Taj as well as G T Hospital.

Metro Junction resident Manoj Goel said: "My brother, Manish, died in the firing at Colaba's Hamaal Galli." Cops fired back at the men -- probably from one of the Lashkar groups, dressed in black and with backpacks and SRPF, Crime Branch, ATS and teams of military commandos were summoned to the spot. Train services at CST were suspended and all roads leading to and from south Mumbai were blockaded.

Rajesh Gajra November 26, 2008 - 5:25pm

as I know a couple who were supposed to be staying in Mumbai, but of course I don't know where.

There's nothing to do but repeat- "the odds are in my favor they're not involved", and wait.

I've had to do that in London and of course NYC.

It's always dicey but inevitable to fear for friends- every victim is an innocent.



Yes, I can come up with a post-election signature, just... not... yet...

nymole November 26, 2008 - 5:25pm

If you have some indication of the hotel name or place where they are put up, alert me at rgajra@gmail.com, I could try to call up the hotel and find out.

Rajesh Gajra November 26, 2008 - 5:34pm

(which is why I am freaking).

I doubt if they would be staying in the ultra-luxe hotels. So I will just have to wait like many other people, and see.

Thanks very much again,
mole



Yes, I can come up with a post-election signature, just... not... yet...

nymole November 26, 2008 - 6:04pm

If they have any mobile phones or email ids, and if they are not in those 2 hotels then they should have by now responded to calls or emails being made by their US friends.

Rajesh Gajra November 27, 2008 - 7:35am

Thank you and everyone for their concern and we are fine. We bypassed Mumbai, learned of the bombings while waiting on Delhi airport to come on to Hyderabad, arrived about an hour ago, to find that the trip is being cancelled. Apparently the situation is such that it is not a good idea to have "rich-seeming" UK and USA types out and about - more anon.

Had just logged on to let my sister know that i am all right and saw your email.

Yes, I can come up with a post-election signature, just... not... yet...

nymole November 27, 2008 - 10:38am

Its good you bypassed Bombay. As an aside, though, many rich Americans and Britishers were not killed in the 2 hotels in Bombay (in the 3rd one, which is a Israeli guesthouse, the Jews were the targets but even they were not killed), and quite many of them were allowed to even go. There is much confusion about the real motives of the terrorists. Not much is crystal clear yet.

Rajesh Gajra November 27, 2008 - 12:16pm

Am signing off now. I (deliberately) have no TV at home & so caught all news only on the internet. I will pray that Bombayites and other Indians do not indulge in callous, ugly reactions to the tragic events of the last few hours. The minorities in Bombay ought not to suffer from any violent ugly reaction from extremist Hindu groups. I pray.

Rajesh Gajra November 26, 2008 - 5:38pm

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