NATO GROUND troops attack Taliban stronghold in Pakistan, officials say

Sept 3

CSM - The raid may be the first time the US has sent troops into Pakistan. Prior attacks attributed to US forces were conducted with drones.

NATO and US ground troops attacked three houses near a Taliban and Al Qaeda stronghold in South Waziristan, a tribal area in Pakistan, on Wednesday, Pakistani officials said. At least 15 people – mostly civilians – are said to have been killed in the attack. Unlike previous NATO airstrikes in the region, this involved the deployment of ground troops. The attack comes in the wake of the Pakistan military's announcement of a cease-fire with militants in the northern and tribal areas to observe the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.


Tina September 3, 2008 - 10:16am
( categories: News | Pakistan )

For the first time, the Afghan war has officially escalated into Pakistan. This is tantamount to Nixon's going into Cambodia, spreading the Vietnam conflict to SE Asia. Incidentally, that escalation sparked the student revolt and shutdown of many universities. This time?

Stand by for more "bring it on." There's going to be major blowback from this.

tjfxh September 3, 2008 - 10:39am

Huge? Definitely.

Like Cambodia? not as such--Cambodia went on for weeks/months in secret before word got out. This Administration/regime seems to have big problems keeping its figurative 'dick in its pants'. They make secret worthless info, or info that is personally embarrassing (but otherwise useless), but leak like a seive vital defense data (like offensives, troop strength/disposition)

I can't wait any more for teh Adults to come back and show America how it *should* be done....

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justadood September 3, 2008 - 3:33pm

In and out, keep them guessing, keep them busy. I have a link that shows Taliban attacking some sort of outpost. In that video the fighters are clearly a mixed group including "arab" elements. We have all heard about the Iraqi resistance relocating to Plakistan's frontier, but i believe some in the video are in fact Chechen.
What do you all think?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ef0_1220030532

mcgrande September 3, 2008 - 10:51am

I think that the Islamist figure that they have essentially won in Iraq. Bush will leave office with no oil agreement and having to agree to a withdrawal timetable if it wants a military agreement.

BTW, the Iraq war was won in a matter of a few weeks and completely came to a close with the execution of Saddam. It was a huge success for the US military, demonstrating for the world the capability of US technology, especially precision weaponry. (This lesson was not lost on Russia, which recently declared that if the US uses precision weaponry against them in a future conflict, they will be forced to respond with tactical nukes.)

On the other hand, the occupation was bungled from day one, and it is a complete failure. There is no way that the US is going to force its position on the Iraqi government at this stage, and the US can't afford to keep throwing ten billion a month into maintaining it, either. Checkmate.

The big prize up for grabs now is Pakistan. Afghanistan is pretty much a sideshow. Look for major destablization in this area of the world over the near future as the Pakistani government is in transition and appears weak. This will force the US and NATO into bolder moves that will shift the focus of the Islamists more and more to Pakistan from Iraq.

tjfxh September 3, 2008 - 11:09am

...Islamists themselves emphatically do not believe that Iraq was a victory for them. They are greatly disheartened by developments there and the chatrooms are quite despondent over it. Yes, their center of gravity is likely to shift towards the Pakistani tribal belt - time will tell if they can keep from making the same mistakes that they made in Iraq (and during previous conflicts in Afghanistan). My guess is that for a whole host of reasons they will be a good deal more circumspect in their relationships with the local populace.

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JustPlainDave September 4, 2008 - 12:31pm

By Bill RoggioSeptember 3, 2008 12:39 AM

Pakistan, Afghanistan, and the tribal areas. Map from PBS' Frontline. Click to view.

The US military, with the possible cooperation of the Afghan military, may have conducted a special operations air assault across the border into Taliban-controlled South Waziristan, according to unconfirmed reports from Pakistan.

The initial report from a Geo TV correspondent indicated the casualties were taken after US helicopters launched missiles at three homes in the Barmal area of Angorada late at night.

The report later changed when the correspondent claimed the helicopters landed and troops dismounted, who then began searching homes. One witness told The Associated Press that "American and Afghan soldiers starting firing" on one family outside of their home. Soldiers then entered the home and others, and killed fifteen people, including women and children. The raid was reported to have occurred in the village of Musa Nikow.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2008/09/pakistanis_claim_us.php

mcgrande September 3, 2008 - 1:24pm

Pak Daily Times

ISLAMABAD: The Foreign Office on Wednesday summoned United States Ambassador Anne W Patterson and protested a raid by suspected US troops in a village near Angoor Adda. Foreign Office spokesman Muhammad Sadiq said such attacks “may fuel the fire of hatred and violence that we are trying to extinguish”. staff report

Tina September 3, 2008 - 5:12pm

AP, September 3

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — American forces launched a raid inside Pakistan Wednesday, a senior U.S. military official said, in the first known U.S. ground assault in Pakistan against a suspected Taliban haven. The government condemned the attack, saying it killed at least 15 people.

The American official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of cross border operations, told The Associated Press that the raid occurred on Pakistani soil about one mile from the Afghan border. The official didn't provide any other details.

Pakistan's Foreign Ministry protested saying U.S.-led troops flew in from Afghanistan for the attack on a village in the country's wild tribal belt. A Pakistan army spokesman warned that the apparent escalation from recent foreign missile strikes on militant targets along the Afghan border would further anger Pakistanis and undercut cooperation in the war against terrorist groups.

The boldness of the thrust fed speculation about the intended target. But it was unclear whether any extremist leader was killed or captured in the operation, which occurred in one of the militant strongholds dotting a frontier region considered a likely hiding place for Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida's No. 2 leader, Ayman al-Zawahri.


"Frankly, we've lost a lot in recent years." - General Colin Powell

Raja September 3, 2008 - 11:37pm

20 Locals Reported Killed in Assault

The Washington Post, By Candace Rondeaux and Karen DeYoung, September 4

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan -- Helicopters carried U.S. and Afghan commandos many miles into Pakistan on Wednesday to stage the first U.S. ground attack against a Taliban target inside the country, Pakistani officials said. At least 20 local people died in the raid, according to the officials.

Pakistan filed a formal protest with the U.S. government, which had no comment on what appeared to be a new escalation of U.S. pressure on Taliban and al-Qaeda sanctuaries in Pakistan's mountainous border regions.


"Frankly, we've lost a lot in recent years." - General Colin Powell

Raja September 4, 2008 - 8:40am

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