Israeli-Hezbollah Conflict Open Thread X

Team Agonist - This is the Tenth Middle East Crisis open-thread. Please post all developments, news stories, comments, links, theories, ideas, etc. . . here in this thread. The earlier threads by number are I - II - III - IV - V - VI - VII - VII - IX. If you post comments in this thread, please do not post identical news articles in the newsqueue.

Israel, Lebanon: Llamas, Power Stations and Big Moves

At first glance, it appears like an odd role-reversal when Israeli reconnaissance units are leading pack animals into battle while Hezbollah fighters are wielding modern anti-tank weapons. But as U.S. special operations forces calling in airstrikes from horseback in Afghanistan showed, mountain and fourth-generation warfare present new challenges that must be met on the ground.

Sustained special operations deep inside enemy territory have always meant heavy loads of food and ammunition, now compounded by the need to haul modern communications and surveillance equipment. While raids based on intelligence can be inserted by helicopter, move to the target and pull out, pack animals indicate invaders plan an extended stay. This is generally indicative of long-range patrols and reconnaissance units setting up observation posts deep inside enemy territory. Even in the era of surveillance satellites, some of the best intelligence still comes from human observation. Israeli patrols fitting this description were spotted returning from Lebanon a week ago. We suspect many more are now well-positioned to observe much of the southern Bekaa Valley.

Full disclosure, Stratfor has been calling for "BIG MOVES" for three weeks now.

Israel: Hezbollah Rockets Land in Hadera


Three artillery rockets slammed into a field outside the coastal town of Hadera, Israel, on Aug. 4. Hadera is midway between Haifa and Tel Aviv, 50 miles south of the Lebanese border. This is the farthest penetration of a Hezbollah artillery rocket into Israeli territory yet -- and only about 30 miles from downtown Tel Aviv. [snip]

The Hadera attack follows Hezbollah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah's Aug. 3 threat to strike Tel Aviv with Hezbollah's long-range missiles. The fact that Hezbollah has resorted to launching one of its more-capable long-range rockets further indicates that Nasrallah is under no illusion that Israel will back down from its ground offensive. Hezbollah cadres are under heavy pressure from Israeli forces, and the time may have come for the militants to use their most prized long-range missiles. Furthermore, aiming in a trajectory toward Tel Aviv can only be an intentional escalation on Hezbollah's part.

More as it develops. Updated map below.

Lebanon: IAF Hits North Of Beirut

The Israeli air force (IAF) on Aug. 4 launched its first major attack on Christian areas north of Beirut, Lebanon, including the resort town of Jounieh. The strikes killed five people and wounded several others. The IAF also carried out strikes on the four bridges on the main coastal road linking Beirut to Syria. The 90-minute drive to the border now takes about three hours.

Tactical Update, August 4

The elite Israeli Golani Brigade lost two men Aug. 4 in Markaba, Lebanon, where fighting is reportedly heavy. Nevertheless, Israel Defense Forces (IDF) units are moving en-masse into the southern part of the country, engaging in urban combat all along the border and sustaining few of the casualties seen in Bent Jbail last week.

Israel has gotten no respite from Hezbollah rocket attacks, with 70 rockets falling in less than an hour Aug. 4 and a total of 135 by 2:28 p.m. local time. The northern city of Qiryat Shemona is coming under increasing fire. It is on nearly the same latitude as Tyre, making it one of the most vulnerable cities to artillery rockets from both southern Lebanon and the mouth of the Bekaa Valley. It is also the staging area for an enormous number of IDF troops.

Israeli air force strikes resumed in full force, hitting at least 15 infrastructure targets -- mostly bridges. Three bridges linking Beirut to northern Lebanon were taken out, further isolating the capital. Airstrikes also knocked out a power station in the Bekaa, leaving the entire Kiraoun area without power.

IDF belatedly realizes Lebanon assault is no Kosovo

An examination of the ground forces' achievements to date shows that they have not hit more than ten launchers. The immediate goal of the fighting is not stopping the rockets, but eliminating Hezbollah's southern unit, the Nasser, on the assumption that this will crack the organization's fortitude. Hezbollah's losses are already estimated at some 380 combatants. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is convinced that Hezbollah's breaking point is near. The army is more skeptical.

Col. Pat Lang: Israeli Defense Forces - all they can be?

So far, Israel's performance in this war has not been impressive. Its air and artillery fire has not hindered Hizbullah's ability to fire rockets into Israel. The heliborne raid on Baalbec this week signals Israel's intent to change to a more aggressive use of ground combat power. But it is another fair question to ask how much damage that poor performance in the early stages of this campaign has done to effective deterrence, which the fear of Israeli and US forces has exerted until now.

Israeli Elite Forces Official: We Need Bargaining Chips

Uzi Dayan -- former commander of Sayeret Matkal, an elite unit -- said Israel needs "bargaining chips" in the form of Hezbollah leaders, in order to secure the return of captured Israeli soldiers. That was an interesting statement, not because it was official -- it wasn't -- but because it indicated the mood of senior Israeli military leaders. If you are looking for bargaining chips, you expect to be bargaining.


Lebanon: Israel Deploys 3 Reservist Brigades

Israel Defense Forces deployed at least three brigades of reservists to the "security zone" in southern Lebanon on Aug. 3 in addition to paratroopers and regular forces, Israel National News reported.

Lebanon: IDF, Hezbollah Clash In SW Lebanon

Israel Defense Forces' Druze Patrol Brigade clashed with Hezbollah members in the western region of southern Lebanon, Ynetnews reported Aug. 3. One member of the militant group was killed and another injured in the village of Menahla.

Saudi Arabia: Shia Rally For Hezbollah

Police in Saudi Arabia broke up a pro-Hezbollah Shiite protest Aug. 3 in Al Qatif in the eastern region, home to the kingdom's Shiite minority. Demonstrators carried banners of Hezbollah and pictures of its leader, Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, and burned Israeli flags.

Lebanon: IAF Resumes South Beirut Strikes

The Israeli air force resumed strikes on southern Beirut, Lebanon, early Aug. 4, firing at least four missiles at Hezbollah and Hamas offices in the Dahiniye neighborhood. Israeli airplanes dropped leaflets over the area earlier in the night, warning residents of impending attacks. Israel also targeted Lebanon's northern border with Syria in an effort to stop the flow of weapons to Hezbollah.

Hezbollah: Still Sending Rockets Downrange

Two hundred and thirty artillery rockets -- by far Hezbollah's largest single-day barrage so far -- struck northern Israel on Aug 2, including a strike in the West Bank, close to the maximum range of the Fajr-5. The Fajr-5, which Hezbollah calls the Khaiber-1, was at about its maximum range from the border of Lebanon when several struck Jenin. Then, on Aug. 3, the second-deadliest day for Israeli civilians so far, over 160 rockets were launched -- more than 100 within a few minutes -- and eight civilians were killed.


Sean Paul Kelley August 4, 2006 - 5:14pm

Halutz's Bombing War
Hezbollah's Top Ally in Israel
By ALEXANDER COCKBURN

excerpt " when he was asked what feelings, what moral tremors he might have had about the dropping of a one-ton bomb in a house in Gaza. Halutz's jaunty reply was to the effect that all he felt was "a slight tremor in the wing of the airplane."

"Israel is doomed," said a friend of mine some months ago, returning to the U.S. after a trip to Israel. I asked him why, and my friend, who spent twenty years working at a high level in the Pentagon, answered, "They've put in an Air Force man as chief of the General Staff."

He was talking about Dan Halutz, appointed chief of the General Staff of the IDF in February of this year.[...]

[...]The trouble is that history shows air power doesn't win wars, or even battles. The best known example is the bombing of Germany by the Americans and the British in World War Two. The plan, as advanced by Britain's Arthur "Bomber" Harris, was to kill a million Germans and paralyze industrial production. Harris began his career with the British bombing campaigns in Mesopotamia in the 1920s, then Palestine, against the Great Rising, in the 1930s.

The Allies' bombs killed many Germans, though not a million. But as postwar investigators headed by the late J.K. Galbraith found, war production actually increased. The bombs stiffened German morale and loathing of the enemy.

Galbraith's investigations failed to dent the myth of air power. America's most famous Air force general in the postwar period was Curt LeMay, headed of America's nuclear air fleet, the Strategic Air Command. In World War Two he had overseen the firebombing of Tokyo. It was LeMay who boasted to President John Kennedy that his planes could "reduce the Soviet Union to a smoldering, irradiated ruin in three hours."

Dan Halutz is in the LeMay tradition, a brutish lout. He raised a storm when he was asked what feelings, what moral tremors he might have had about the dropping of a one-ton bomb in a house in Gaza. Halutz's jaunty reply was to the effect that all he felt was "a slight tremor in the wing of the airplane."[...]
http://www.counterpunch.com/

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bernadene August 3, 2006 - 8:19pm

Norwegian paper dagbladet.no has a nice picture illustrating the extent of Israeli bombing in Beirut.

http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/4/47/472/472969/beirut.jpg

incy August 3, 2006 - 8:25pm

Looks to me like it was a very targeted operation. i.e., not random carpet bombing of the city, but specifically focused on key target areas. But in truth I don't no squat about how to judge these things. I'd be curious what JPD and ScottM and Ian have to say about this. Oh, and MadDog too.

Sully August 3, 2006 - 9:40pm

Bomber Harris did also not engage in random carpet bombing of the cities, but specifically focused on key target areas. He just did not have the technical means to laser guide bombs into the living quarters of the workforce.

The target of these operations is to spread terror in the population, the goal being the hope to drive a chasm between the bombed out, homeless and possessionless populous and their respective political leadership.

What's there not to understand? It is terrorism and a warcrime. And worse even, it is a mistake.

Wernerempire August 3, 2006 - 11:58pm

But the most precise weapon ever invented is as accurate as the intel that guides it.

Escher Sketch August 4, 2006 - 12:49am

...on proportionality, here.

"We declared war on terror, it's not even a noun, so, good luck. After we defeat it, I'm sure we'll take on that bastard ennui." - Jon Stewart.

JustPlainDave August 4, 2006 - 9:01am

ok this one definitely woke me up as I live in Jounieh! 2 missiles. From my balcony I can clearly see that it hit the bridge near the casino. But the news didn't mention anything about it yet and the other one (it did less smoke than the first), somewhere near crepaway maameltein.

can see it clearly from here! (it's too close to AUT university if someone knows its location)
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FIDAR's bridge - bye bye, Totally down...
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big fire in adma near bridge
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Both missiles hit 2 civilian cars (car and van). result: 2 injuries

LBC

The bridge still good but there is some injuries , its live on LBCI now
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Electrical Power Plant in Qaraoun - Bekaa has been hit

LBC

tHE BRIDGE IS RELATIVELY AFFECTED.... theres a big hole in it... A man lying several meters down the road he looks very seriously injured... people around him not moving him waiting for help

LBc footage

two holes in the bridge.... denise rahmeh is saying no killed so far

the man that is showed injured is a syrian worker who was sleeping under the bridge... he has several broken bones

the van had 14 passengers

there are injuries

it looks like the raid targeted the road and not the vehicles themselves

denise rahmeh is saying the road is cut

LBC

The bombed facility is in Sohmor - Ibrahim Abd el Al electrical station
LBC
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Beirut airport runway bombed

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08:44 200 Islamic militants said sent on missions to bomb `Israel`s vital interests` (Reuters)

08:20 Three of four soldiers killed in Lebanon on Thurs. to be buried Friday (Israel Radio)

07:32 One soldier moderately hurt, one lightly hurt in clashes with Hezbollah (Ch. 10)

07:31 Two Katyushas hit open area near Kiryat Shmona; no injuries (Ch. 10)

07:04 IDF, Hezbollah fighters engage in heavy combat in southern Lebanon (Channel 10)

06:59 Witnesses: IDF gunfire kills two Palestinians in southern Gaza (Reuters)

05:58 U.S. envoy Bolton: U.S., France have come a long way in Mideast cease-fire talks (AP)

05:34 Australia investigating reported terrorist threats against Jewish targets (Reuters)

04:17 Four Palestinians injured in IDF raids in Gaza (Reuters)

04:09 More loud explosions heard in Beirut (AP)

04:08 Lebanese media: IAF executed 15 bombing runs against Beirut in 30 minutes (AP)

03:16 Rice signals willingness to compromise on immediate ceasefire in Lebanon (AP)

02:07 Chavez: Recall of envoy from Tel Aviv is protest of Israeli `genocide` in Lebanon (AP)

01:55 Siniora: Lebanon`s fuel supplies dwindling, country has enough for one week (Reuters)

Updates
Lebanese soldier killed in air strike on southern Beirut
(08:19 , 08.04.06)

stunster August 4, 2006 - 1:23am

Ze'ev Schiff, Amos Harel and Aluf Benn | August 4

Ha'aretz
- Defense Minister Amir Peretz told Israel Defense Forces officials on Thursday evening to begin preparing for the next stage of the military offensive in south Lebanon, which would extend the IDF's control to all Lebanese territory south of the Litani River.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, however, is said to be reluctant about expanding Israel's ground operation. While Peretz believes that the short-range rocket threat posed by Hezbollah can be neutralized by taking the area up to the Litani, Olmert feels that such a move would not be able to counter the longer-range missile threat posed by the Shi'ite organization.

The directive issued by Peretz was made in the wake of Hezbollah rocket attacks that killed eight people in northern Israel earlier Thursday, officials said.

"We declared war on terror, it's not even a noun, so, good luck. After we defeat it, I'm sure we'll take on that bastard ennui." - Jon Stewart.

JustPlainDave August 3, 2006 - 9:47pm

http://www.breakingnews.ie/2006/08/04/story270668.html

August 4

Israeli warplanes pounded Beirut’s southern suburbs and other parts of Lebanon early today, local media reported.

Airstrikes on the capital’s southern suburbs, a Hezbollah stronghold, began just before 1am local time (10pm Irish time Thursday), causing two huge explosions. Yesterday, Israeli aircraft dropped leaflets on the area warning people to leave.

Fighter planes appeared to focus on the southern suburb of Ouzai, making 24 pre-dawn over-flights in less than an hour, local media outlets said.

The attacks on Ouzai, a predominantly Shiite Muslim area, were the first since fighting between Hezbollah and Israel began 24 days ago. At daybreak, New TV reported two additional strikes on the area, airing footage of smoke billowing from buildings.

Israeli jets launched three attacks near Baalbek in eastern Lebanon, Hezbollah’s TV, Al-Manar, and witnesses reached by telephone said.

Another airstrike was launched near the Lebanese-Syrian border crossing at Masnaa, east of Beirut, the Voice of Lebanon radio said.

Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, in a speech televised yesterday, offered to halt rocket attacks on Israel in return for an end to the air attacks. He also threatened to launch missiles at Tel Aviv if Israel attacks Beirut proper.

Israeli ambassador to the United Nations, Dan Gillerman, told CNN that Nasrallah’s suggestion for a halt to the rocket attacks was “a sign of weakness,” suggesting that Hezbollah’s leader, “may realize that his forces are being degraded and looking for a way out.”

On Nasrallah’s threats against Tel Aviv, Gillerman said, ”I am sure that he, as well as his sponsors, realize the consequences of doing something as unimaginable and crazy as that.”

stonehouse August 4, 2006 - 2:17am

مقتل 3 جنود اسرائليين في قصف صاروخي جنوب لبنان
العربية

3 israeli soldiers killed in a missile attack south lebanon
Al-arabiyya

update: 5 IDF soldiers dead so far in "Markaba"

Source: Al Arabiyya

القوات الإسرائلية تعمل في 20 قرية جنوب لبنان العربية
Israeli forces operating in 20 villages of southern Lebanon
Al-Arabiyya

منشورات اسرائلية تدعو أهالي النبطية للرحيل
العربية
israeli flyers asking the people in nabatieh to evacuate it!
Al-Arabiyya!

according to lbc, all the roads linking Beirut to the north are cut!
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Here is one of the many comments left at haaretz by Christian Lebanese denouncing the bombings of west Beirut/Jounieh.

Title: Innocent Christian regions bombarded

Name: Open-minded Lebanese

City: Beautiful Beirut

What IDF did this morning by its attack on pure christian regions in Jounieh,in the North of Beirut,is totally TERRORISM. What is IDF planning next?

These regions were against Hezbollah`s attacks on Israel,and they were seeking to make peace and to find a permanent solution to the problems in the south of Lebanon. These people are neutral and peace loving people,and by hitting them like IDF did today,Israel is pushing them to take sides and start to look at Israel as an ennemy and not as a future neighbour.

Stop this bloodshed,I ask all the honest Israelis to stop this non-sense war. Nasrallah clearly said yesterday that he will stop firing rockets at Israel if IDF stops. This is a clear sign of readiness for a peace agreement. IT IS WHAT BOTH OUR PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR,I HOPE SO.

If this war lasts longer,it will become out of control, and we hear about several terrorist groups like Al Qaeda and others coming to Lebanon to fight. Dont let that start,we wont be able to stop it.

stunster August 4, 2006 - 2:40am

How many times do i have to post this? This has been the plan all along.

Securing the Northern Border

Syria challenges Israel on Lebanese soil. An effective approach, and one with which American can sympathize, would be if Israel seized the strategic initiative along its northern borders by engaging Hizballah, Syria, and Iran, as the principal agents of aggression in Lebanon, including by:

* striking Syria’s drug-money and counterfeiting infrastructure in Lebanon, all of which focuses on Razi Qanan.

* paralleling Syria’s behavior by establishing the precedent that Syrian territory is not immune to attacks emanating from Lebanon by Israeli proxy forces.

* striking Syrian military targets in Lebanon, and should that prove insufficient, striking at select targets in Syria proper.

http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm

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bernadene August 4, 2006 - 6:51am

Last update - 09:04 04/08/2006

Islamic group: 200 militants sent to bomb 'Israel's vital interests'

By Reuters

JAKARTA - More than 200 Islamic militants from Southeast Asia have
been sent on missions to bomb Israel's "vital interests" and countries that support the Jewish state, their leader said on Friday.

The militants have been trained to carry out suicide bombings to avenge Israel's military strikes on the Palestinian territories and Lebanon, said Suaib Didu, chairman of the Jakarta-based ASEAN Muslim Youth Movement.

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"We will limit our targets to Israel's vital interests and those that support Israel's aggression in Palestine and Lebanon," Didu said. "We will not carry out attacks indiscriminately."

Hardline militant groups in Indonesia have made claims in the past of sending volunteers to participate in conflicts overseas that have sometimes proved exaggerated.

Western countries such as the United States and Britain, as well as businesses, could be targeted unless they cease supporting Israel, he said.

Didu said the group was watching Australia's position on the Middle East conflict.

"If John Howard makes a statement in support of Israel, he will be a target," Didu said.

More than 3,000 people have signed up for the mission, and 217 people from Indonesia, the Philippines, Malaysia and Singapore have been dispatched abroad so far, he said.

A "show of force" of the more than 3,000 volunteers will be held on Saturday in Pontianak in West Kalimantan province on Borneo island, Didu said, adding that many of the 200-plus militants had fought with Afghanistan against the Soviets.

Din Syamsuddin, chairman of the moderate Muhammadiyah, Indonesia's second largest Muslim organization, said Thursday that threats by radical Muslim groups to send volunteers to fight Israel were just "symbolic gestures" to show solidarity with the Palestinians and Lebanese.

"There are too many obstacles for these people to travel there. It is too costly and the Israeli army is no match for them," he told reporters.

But in Canberra, Human Services Minister Joe Hockey said Friday the government was not shrugging off reports of the plans to carry out suicide bombings.

"The minister for foreign affairs and the Department of Foreign Affairs are investigating what is reported in the papers today and we are treating it very, very seriously," Hockey told Australian television.

Australia is a staunch ally of the United States, with troops in Iraq and
Afghanistan. While it has been targeted in attacks in Indonesia, Australia has never suffered a major peacetime attack on home soil.

Australia and Indonesia strengthened cooperation on counter-terrorism following the 2002 nightclub bombings on the Indonesian resort island of Bali, which killed 202 people, including 88 Australian tourists.



In these times you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning. ~ Carl Sandburg

Tina August 4, 2006 - 4:00am

Indonesian police to study claim of suicide bomber deployment
By :
Date : 04 August 2006 1403 hrs (SST)
URL : http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/223067/1/.html

JAKARTA : Indonesian police said Friday they would look into a claim by a Jakarta-based radical group that hundreds of Southeast Asian suicide bombers had been dispatched to attack Jewish interests in countries that support Israel.

The claim was made by Suaib Didu, the head of the hardline Asian Muslim Youth Movement (AMYM), the Australian newspaper reported.

The group had already dispatched 217 suicide bombers, including 72 Indonesians as well as citizens of six other Southeast Asian nations, Didu told the newspaper.

A "passing out" ceremony for more than 3,000 "jihadis" would be held Saturday in the Indonesian city of Pontianak on Kalimantan island, he said, with 200 being sent immediately to targets abroad.

He could not immediately be reached for comment.

Police in Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, were sceptical of the claims but said they would look into them.

"We first have to look into what their mission and purposes are for making the claim. We need to first study this," national police deputy spokesman Anton Bahrul Alam said, adding, "Will anybody accept them?"

He said police may have enough reason to question and detain Didu if he and the alleged would-be suicide bombers were found to have violated the law by being in possession of improper travel documents.

The AMYM claimed several years ago to have sent suicide bombers to Afghanistan, but no evidence ever emerged to prove it did so.

Didu said that thousands more militants were preparing to die as martyrs in revenge attacks over Israel's military operations against Lebanon's Hezbollah militia, The Australian said.

He warned that attacks would be launched against Jewish targets in countries such as Britain, the United States and possibly Australia.

The bombers were partly funded by cash donations from two unnamed Australian-Indonesian businessmen, he reportedly said.

In Australia, Human Services Minister Joe Hockey said that the foreign affairs ministry was "investigating what is reported in the papers today and we are treating it very, very seriously."

Indonesia has had its share of suicide bombing attacks. In 2002 attacks on the resort island of Bali killed 202 people, including 88 Australians.

- AFP /ct



In these times you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning. ~ Carl Sandburg

Tina August 4, 2006 - 9:38am

The fighting in Gaza, which began June 25 after Hamas-linked militants captured an Israeli soldier in a cross-border raid, has killed a total of 175 Palestinians, the U.N. reported, adding that it was concerned that "with international attention focusing on Lebanon, the tragedy in Gaza is being forgotten."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060804/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel

stunster August 4, 2006 - 6:39am

August 4

Ha'aretz - Prime Minister Ehud Olmert would welcome the participation of German soldiers in a stabilization force in South Lebanon, he said in an interview with a German newspaper published on Friday.

"I have informed (German) Chancellor Angela Merkel that we have absolutely no problem having German troops in South Lebanon," Olmert told the daily Suddeutsche Zeitung.

"There is no other nation that Israel considers more of a friend that Germany ... I would be very happy if Germany participated," he said.

"We declared war on terror, it's not even a noun, so, good luck. After we defeat it, I'm sure we'll take on that bastard ennui." - Jon Stewart.

JustPlainDave August 4, 2006 - 6:46am

If this were 1700, they'd be saying: "Since civilization began, slavery has existed. It's human nature." I would have believed it. If 1800: "Women will never vote. They are not born rational". I would have believed it.
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bernadene August 4, 2006 - 7:09am

Merkel might like to see this become worse.

-- Happy fishing in ocean of noise!

Gandalf August 4, 2006 - 8:30am

Is he really joking? Germany outfitted the Israelis with nuclear subs. That provides them with second strike capability. A big factor in detterence to a country like Iran.

Why would Merkel like to see things get worse?

Sully August 4, 2006 - 8:41am

Each gambler has their own pocket in the ecology of Middle East politics.

USA wants to have a nuisance satellite state. UK wants to back USA politics. France has Arab ambitions. What else is left to Germany when Bush knocked Merkel out?

Those nuclear subs probably work as long as they press off-button in Germany.

-- Happy fishing in ocean of noise!

Gandalf August 4, 2006 - 11:58am

shhhhhh.

Oh yes, that's one problematic thing about reliance on complex high-tech bought from abroad - the prospect of "back doors" buried indecipherably deep in systems.

It ain't just Israeli communications companies that can play that game; it goes back to American telecom companies in the mid 20th ct.

Escher Sketch August 4, 2006 - 12:13pm

I pondered this a couple of minutes.

Israel can use 2nd strike capability only after the its civilian population has been killed.

Thus in an attack to Israel IAF and some other military targets would be wiped out (during the first 5 minutes with missiles) and then the civilian population would be left as a hostage to prevent 2nd strike.

-- Happy fishing in ocean of noise!

Gandalf August 4, 2006 - 12:19pm

entirely conventional submarines that may (or may not) have a nuclear strike role. That in turn somewhat depends upon whether you believe in Popeye Turbo or not. For my part, I always wonder (a) where these subs would be based, as their role would almost certainly be in the Persian Gulf/Indian Ocean and (b) how their command control is supposed to work.

ScottM August 4, 2006 - 1:04pm

...and see if there are any ELF antennae out there, though IIRC there is supposedly a follow on replacement technology that I can't quite place.

"We declared war on terror, it's not even a noun, so, good luck. After we defeat it, I'm sure we'll take on that bastard ennui." - Jon Stewart.

JustPlainDave August 4, 2006 - 1:26pm

is probably more likely than land-based ELF. It's VLF, not ELF, but given the shorter radius of action of these diesel-electric subs and probably a more shallow operating depth, VLF would likely work. Much less conspicuous than an ELF antenna: the question would be whether one of the IAF's 707s or C-130s was pulled out of service to be fitted with the equipment. But the IAF is even more secretive about the707s than about their fighters.

ScottM August 4, 2006 - 4:13pm

Yaakov Katz | August 4

The Jerusalem Post
- The backs of pickup trucks, side rooms in one-story homes and thick brush in valleys and on ridges are the places from which Hizbullah is succeeding in firing rockets despite intensive IDF operations to stop the attacks.

On Wednesday, Hizbullah fired more than 220 rockets and on Thursday another 150, proving that despite the IDF operation, which entered its fourth week on Wednesday, it was still functioning just like it was on July 12, the day the war erupted.

From the beginning of this war, senior military officers repeatedly stated that the goal of Operation Change of Direction was not to eradicate Hizbullah's Katyusha array but to weaken the organization to the extent that it would be possible to create a new diplomatic order in southern Lebanon, one that would not include a guerrilla presence.

"We declared war on terror, it's not even a noun, so, good luck. After we defeat it, I'm sure we'll take on that bastard ennui." - Jon Stewart.

JustPlainDave August 4, 2006 - 6:49am

Yaakov Katz | August 4

The Jerusalem Post - Heavy fighting was taking place on Friday between IDF ground troops and Hizbullah guerrillas in southern Lebanon.

Two soldiers were wounded, one seriously, after an anti-tank rocket hit their D9 bulldozer in the village of Ataybeh, in the eastern sector of southern Lebanon. One of the wounded was part of an engineering force operating in the area.

Earlier Friday, two members of Golani's Battalion 13 were wounded, one seriously and one moderately, in the town of Makarbe in the eastern sector of southern Lebanon, west of Kiryat Shmona.

The four were taken to the hospital for medical treatment.

IDF forces took several of the Hizbullah operatives captive.

"We declared war on terror, it's not even a noun, so, good luck. After we defeat it, I'm sure we'll take on that bastard ennui." - Jon Stewart.

JustPlainDave August 4, 2006 - 6:52am

David Horovitz | August 4

The Jerusalem Post - Hizbullah is hurting under the impact of Israel's military action, but it is not yet showing signs of desperation, according to Uri Lubrani, an adviser to the defense minister and formerly Israel's longtime coordinator of activities in Lebanon.

Watching Hizbullah's broadcasts, "my sense is that they are feeling the pressure," Lubrani told The Jerusalem Post. "It's also plain that the IDF operation in Baalbek [overnight Tuesday-Wednesday] had a real impact. They'll have to explain that to their supporters."

The hope in Hizbullah that the Kafr Kana tragedy would lead to a far wider escalation of anger in the Arab world, and one that would dramatically constrain Israel, had not been fully realized, he added.

But a good barometer of the Hizbullah mindset, Lubrani suggested, would be the degree to which its backers press at the United Nations for an urgent cease-fire. "I would consider a real sign of desperation if their supporters starting putting on frantic pressure at the UN for a cease-fire," he said. And that might happen, he posited without elaboration, "if they fear that we are about to go further."

"We declared war on terror, it's not even a noun, so, good luck. After we defeat it, I'm sure we'll take on that bastard ennui." - Jon Stewart.

JustPlainDave August 4, 2006 - 6:55am

RAW STORY
Published: Thursday August 3, 2006

A report by columnist Sidney Blumenthal in Salon claims that Israel is receiving intelligence from the US's National Security Agency.

Blumenthal claims to be in touch with "a national security official with direct knowledge of the operation" to supply Israel with signals intelligence from American assets to help it monitor armament transfers from Syria and Iran to Hezbollah. He states that President Bush has approved the intelligence sharing.

Bush is being influenced by neoconservatives in his administration led by Vice President Dick Cheney's staff and Elliot Abrams, senior director for the Near East on the National Security Council. The group, according to Blumenthal, seeks to start a 'four front war' by giving Israel the pretext to strike Iran and Syria. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has been briefed, but is not a central actor in the plan.

An excerpt of the restricted-access article is provided below.

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The National Security Agency is providing signal intelligence to Israel to monitor whether Syria and Iran are supplying new armaments to Hezbollah as it fires hundreds of missiles into northern Israel, according to a national security official with direct knowledge of the operation. President Bush has approved the secret program.

Inside the administration, neoconservatives on Vice President Dick Cheney's national security staff and Elliott Abrams, the neoconservative senior director for the Near East on the National Security Council, are prime movers behind sharing NSA intelligence with Israel... The neoconservatives are described as enthusiastic about the possibility of using NSA intelligence as a lever to widen the conflict between Israel and Hezbollah and Israel and Hamas into a four-front war.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is said to have been "briefed" ... (h)er "briefing" appears to be an aspect of an internal struggle to intimidate and marginalize her. Recently she has come under fire from prominent neoconservatives...

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Escher Sketch August 4, 2006 - 6:57am

The neoconservatives are described as enthusiastic about the possibility of using NSA intelligence as a lever to widen the conflict between Israel and Hezbollah and Israel and Hamas into a four-front war.

Gradually escalating fronts would fit WWIII scenario. (In this scenario WWIII started in Afghanistan and Chechenya in which the war continues for decades.)

The probability of WWIII is higher when there are people on both sides of the front who want to expand the war, who believe that the risk of losing is nonexistent and that the wars are quick business.

-- Happy fishing in ocean of noise!

Gandalf August 4, 2006 - 12:09pm

Geneva | August 4

AFP - Overnight bombings in Lebanon cut off an "umbilical cord" for relief supplies and halted evacuations from the country to Syria, international and UN agencies said Friday.

Israeli warplanes wrecked four bridges along the coastal highway in the Christian heartland north of Beirut, cutting off practically the last landlink with neighbouring Syria.

"This was the main supply route for UNHCR, all our supplies come from Syria," said Jennifer Pagonis, a spokeswoman for the office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees. The UNHCR, backed by other UN relief agencies and the International Organisation for Migration (IOM), said the humanitarian crisis had deepened after the bombings.

"The road was badly damaged.. with the result that we cannot bring assistance from Arida, from Syria to Beirut," said Christiane Berthiaume, a spokeswoman for the UN's World Food Programme (WFP).

"We declared war on terror, it's not even a noun, so, good luck. After we defeat it, I'm sure we'll take on that bastard ennui." - Jon Stewart.

JustPlainDave August 4, 2006 - 6:59am

Leila Hatoum | Beirut | August 4

The Daily Star (Beirut) - Hizbullah's leader offered Thursday to stop pounding Israel's "northern settlements" if the Jewish state refrained from bombarding Lebanon's "cities and civilians." Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah also issued a warning, however, in a televised speech: "Let my words be clear, any attack on Lebanon's capital, Beirut, will result in Hizbullah bombarding the Zionist entity's capital, Tel Aviv."

In an almost immediate response aired on Israeli public television, a senior military official said Israel would destroy all of Lebanon's infrastructure if Tel Aviv were hit.

"We are ready to keep the whole thing restricted to a military fight with the Israeli Army," Nasrallah said, "on the ground, fighters to fighters."

But Israel dropped leaflets over the southern suburb of Beirut, warning residents of Bir al-Abed, Hay Madi and Al-Ruweiss to evacuate their homes.

Nasrallah also refuted the Israeli claim that it had carved out a "security zone" by taking up positions "in or near 11 towns and villages in South Lebanon."

"We declared war on terror, it's not even a noun, so, good luck. After we defeat it, I'm sure we'll take on that bastard ennui." - Jon Stewart.

JustPlainDave August 4, 2006 - 7:02am

Not a word of them yet in the media.

-- Happy fishing in ocean of noise!

Gandalf August 4, 2006 - 8:31am

Raed El Rafei | Beirut | August 4

The Daily Star (Lebanon) - The war in Lebanon has brought out the best in many and has put on the forefront of events many reporters who often risk their own lives to transmit what is really happening on the ground. Many local and Arab channels have tasked female reporters to cover the most dangerous zones near the borders in the South or in the southern suburbs of Beirut.

Rima Maktabi, who covered the bombardment of the Dahiyeh for Al-Arabiyya news channel, described being a war reporter as "a strange but highly enriching experience."

"When working under tremendous pressure you grasp in few days much more than you learn in months of work at normal times," Maktabi said.

Maktabi believes in the strength of covering war zones on the ground.

"The reporting on the Qana massacre changed the political course of events. The real challenge during these times is to show and report on the facts on the ground," she said.

"We declared war on terror, it's not even a noun, so, good luck. After we defeat it, I'm sure we'll take on that bastard ennui." - Jon Stewart.

JustPlainDave August 4, 2006 - 7:06am

Christopher Allbritton, reporting from Lebanon, says "To the south, along the curve of the coast, Hizbullah is launching Katyushas, but I’m loathe to say too much about them. The Party of God has a copy of every journalist’s passport, and they’ve already hassled a number of us and threatened one."

http://www.back-to-iraq.com/archives/2006/07/tales_from_the_south_sort_of.php

Update - New post by Albritton contextualizes his comments.

http://www.back-to-iraq.com/archives/2006/08/silence.php

Sully August 4, 2006 - 7:49am

...Everything I’ve reported I’ve either seen with my own eyes, or it has come from trusted non-Hizbullah sources. Like the ambulance story. I spoke with the drivers and I saw the very ambulances. It was not faked, and it was definitely an Israeli missile of some kind that destroyed the ambulances.

As far as Qana, I wasn’t there. I don’t know what the scene was like, other than what my colleagues — who I trust — told me and what I saw on television. As for the death toll going down from 54 to 28, well, that happens. It was apparently a confusing time and the mortician at the al-Bass Government Hospital gave out some numbers that included people also killed that day but in other places. As for why it took so long to get there, well, the strike happened at night and no one travels much after dark here, certainly not in the middle of an Israeli bombardment. I don’t believe Qana was faked, as some bloggers are charging. People like Michelle Malkin are full of it and refuse to see anything with even a scintilla of objectivity or fairness. They are not journalists; they are jokes.

Escher Sketch August 4, 2006 - 12:57pm

They are not journalists; they are

spies and propagandists.

Some Finnish journalists seem to work as freelancer spies abroad. I assume the same applies fairly to other nationalities.

-- Happy fishing in ocean of noise!

Gandalf August 4, 2006 - 3:26pm

Israel bombs Lebanese highway

David Fickling and agencies
Friday August 4, 2006
Guardian Unlimited

Israeli aircraft bombed southern Beirut last night and today launched raids on the highway north of the city, threatening to cut Lebanon's only remaining link with the outside world.

In the south of the country, Israeli ground forces continued their attempts to establish a five-mile "security zone" north of the Lebanese border, with Israel's Channel 10 television reporting heavy fighting in the central section of the zone this morning.

The strikes on Lebanon's coastal highway north of Beirut were the first significant attacks on civilian targets in the north of the country during the 24-day offensive. Four civilians were killed and 10 were wounded as Israeli bombers blew up bridges during the early morning rush hour.

Witnesses reported brush fires being ignited by the attacks and cars plunging off the destroyed bridges into ravines.

Local television showed video of rescuers sifting through twisted metal and blocks of concrete to rescue people whose cars fell from the Madfoun bridge in the north of the country. A van was stuck in a hole made by a missile, its driver resting on his back on the ground outside. His face was blackened and covered with dust but he appeared still alive. Attacks also punched holes in highway bridges at Maameltein, Halat and Jounieh, according to reports.

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Raja August 4, 2006 - 7:36am

The mystery deepens but in typical Arab fashion, after a devastating loss on the terrain, Fatfat thinks he can go back to the status quo ante. (You know like: hey dude let's go back to 1948 borders or 67 borders, it'd be cool)

(Tell me, Sully - what's Israel doing that you'd care to characterize as typical Jew fashion?)

Sure. I'd trust his penetrating insight into the minds of Arabs he appears to globally hold in contempt.

Ironic you mention "Fisking" (a term in virtually exclusive currency amongst right-wing blogs). That itself is amusingly ironic - given that one of the blogger's pieces he links to on his main page reveals his uncritical acceptance of this source:

Behind The Arabs' Failure
An interesting short piece and roundup by Amir Taheri in the NY Post...

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I assume you know who Amir Taheri is, Sully?

Wiki entry for Amir Taheri

Amir Taheri, the discredited Benador Associates (neocon) disinfo nozzle who was behind the falsified "separate dress codes for Jews in Iran" campaign.

Taheri's 1988 Nest of Spies book

Shaul Bakhash of George Mason University has accused Amir Taheri of concocting nonexistent substances in his writings, and states that he "repeatedly refers us to books where the information he cites simply does not exist. Often the documents cannot be found in the volumes to which he attributes them.... [He] repeatedly reads things into the documents that are simply not there."[5] Bakhash has stated that Amiri's Nest of Spies is "the sort of book that gives contemporary history a bad name." [6]

2005 Javad Zarif accusations

Dwight Simpson of San Francisco State University and Kaveh Afrasiabi accuse Taheri and his publisher Eleana Benador of fabricating false stories in the New York Post in 2005 where Taheri identified Iran's UN ambassador Javad Zarif, as one of the students involved in the 1979 seizure of hostages at the US Embassy in Tehran. Zarif was Simpson's teaching assistant and a graduate student in the Department of International Relations of San Francisco State University at the time. [7]

2006 Iranian sumptuary law

Main article: 2006 Iranian sumptuary law
On May 19, 2006, the National Post of Canada published two pieces, one by Taheri, claiming that the Iranian parliament passed a law that "envisages separate dress codes for religious minorities, Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians, who will have to adopt distinct colour schemes to make them identifiable in public." [1]
The National Post retracted the story several hours after it was posted online. The newspaper blamed Taheri for the falsehood in the article, [2] [3] and published a full apology on May 24. [4]

Taheri apparently stands by his reportage.[5]

Escher Sketch August 4, 2006 - 11:53am

have to take that raging hard on you have for me Escher and speak to the Lebanese Arab who has written so much that pisses you off.

I'm guessing this is how jews must react when they read anti-Israeli jewish writers.

Hey, maybe you can call the lebaneseblogger an anti-semite. :-)

Yeah Taheri is a dispreputable source. Shame that guy has him listed on his website like that. Lamont is having the same problem Hamsher apparently.

Sully August 4, 2006 - 2:00pm

But inaccurate - I don't bear you any personal animosity whatsoever.

Conflating Hamsher and Fisk with a paid propagandist like Taheri, busted in myriad acts of information falsification - all independently verifiable - is untenable.

It's 2006. The growth of pan-Islamic sentiment - and for that matter the inherent nature of the relationship of Jews around the globe to Israel - is proving once again that peoples' ethnicities and birthrights are vastly less relevant than their self-identification.

Escher Sketch August 4, 2006 - 2:24pm

close to a personal insult and we have a very strict policy that there are no personal insults allowed here at The Agonist allowed at all. They are deleted immediately and without warning.

Everyone in this community abides by this rule and I hope you will too. While I disgree with you frequently you do bring a refreshing bit of contrarianism that is useful.

So please, avoid the personal insults and stick with the issues.

Sean Paul Kelley August 4, 2006 - 10:24pm

Israel expands bombing(Beirut, Lebanon-AP, August 4, 2006) - Lebanon's president says Israel is waging a "war of starvation" on his country's civilians to force the government to agree to Jerusalem's demands.

A statement from President Emile Lahoud says Israel's expanded air raids today have cut off the only coastal highway left for getting aid to displaced people and refugees. He says Israel is trying to compensate for what he says have been losses by its army in southern Lebanon.
Israel warplanes today targeted bridges in the Christian heartland north of Beirut for the first time, killing five civilians and wounding 19 during the morning rush hour. The militant Hezbollah has little support or presence in the area.

A Lebanese soldier and four civilians were killed in attacks near Beirut's airport and southern suburbs.

Hezbollah, meantime, claims it's killed six Israeli soldiers along the border. And it's also unleashed another barrage of rockets into Israel. Police say more than three dozen rockets slammed into border villages in a-half hour, killing at least one Israeli

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In these times you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning. ~ Carl Sandburg

Tina August 4, 2006 - 9:02am

Israel threatens mass push

Ed O'Loughlin and Jonathan Pearlman, The Age
August 5, 2006

ISRAEL is threatening to seize most of south Lebanon after at least nine of its civilians and six soldiers were killed in less than 24 hours, the nation's worst death toll in more than three weeks of war.

Israeli jets destroyed four highway bridges north of Beirut yesterday, disrupting efforts to help civilians caught up in the conflict. An air strike on a parking lot used by trucks and buses near Lebanon's border with Syria in the eastern Bekaa Valley killed or wounded 25 civilians, security sources said. Beirut was also bombed, despite threats from Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah that the Shiite militant group would hit Tel Aviv with rockets if Beirut was attacked again.

With no action to end the 24-day-old war emerging from the UN, fierce fighting raged in south Lebanon as Israeli troops tried to expand seven small border enclaves they control.

More than 150 Israeli air strikes hit southern Lebanon and artillery pounded border areas yesterday in support of ground forces.

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Raja August 4, 2006 - 10:02am

ANALYSIS: Whatever happens, Iran wins

By Bradley Burston

In the West, Mahmoud Ahmedinejad is called a lot of names, many of them unprintable.

But the time may have come to call him the one name he has truly earned in dealing with the West - genius.

In the little over a year in which he has served as president of Iran, he has engineered a position for the Islamic Republic that is unique in the Middle East, and, indeed, in the world:

Whatever happens, Iran wins.

Take Iraq. The worse things get for the United States in Iraq, the more broadly genuine Ahmadinejad's smile gets.

George Bush, having invaded, reshuffled, and in many ways neutered Iraq, Iran's old hated rival in the region, has done for Tehran what Tehran couldn't do for itself in the disastrous Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s.

Even better for Ahmadinejad , the worse things get in Iraq and Lebanon, the higher that oil prices climb, and every few cents at the pump is ultimately going to spell billions more for the Iranian treasury.

The crowning development for Ahmadinejad is the circumstance that Washington's incalculable investment of troops, materiel, and policy in Iraq, and the myriad ways in which the war has gone catastrophically, may mean that the West cannot hope to orchestrate a future military offensive against Iran, even if the nuclear threat from Tehran clearly warrants it.

Stated differently, the War on Terror has granted Iran immunity. Ahmadinejad has a Get Out of Jail Free card, and he got it from Saddam Hussein.

Then there is this: Ahmadinejad understands as does no one else, the regional value of outrage.

Every obscene statement on the Holocaust, every matter-of-fact suggestion that Israel will be eradicated, every assertion of the Natural Right to Nuclear Capability, every jab at the Great Satan in Washington, only cements his status as the megastar of restive, miserable, messianic Muslims the world over.

In addition, Ahmadinejad and Iran's more violent client allies all profit greatly from the Everything is Victory element of the jihadist revolution, which tends to assess military developments according to the following criteria:

1. If I kill you, I win.
2. If you kill me, I am a martyr. I win big.
3. There are no innocents in the land of my enemy. If I kill infants, the elderly, pregnant women, even on purpose, I win.
4. When my enemy kills innocent civilians in error, even his own allies condemn him for brutality. I win.

The variations of the Iran Wins No Matter What principle are endless. But the best may have come this week, when French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy paid a visit to war-shattered Beirut.

France, once the colonial patron of the Paris of the Mideast, retains a special feeling about Lebanon. What many hadn't realized, however, was France's special feeling about Iran.

It is clear, Douste-Blazy told a news conference in Beirut, "that we could never accept a destabilization of Lebanon, which could lead to a destabilization of the region,"

And therefore, the French foreign minister continued:

"In the region there is of course a country such as Iran - a great
country, a great people and a great civilization, which is respected and which plays a stabilizing role in the region."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/746601.html

Sully August 4, 2006 - 11:10am

Air Raid on a House in Taybeh contains 17 people of the same family.

All dead. Aljazeera.

Urgent News.

A new Massacer in Qa'a Rah (Qa3 Ra7 or Sahel el Qa3) North of Lebanon on the borders between lebanon and Syria. (Watch Live on Aljazeera exclusive pictures of the massacer)

More than 60 People dead , mostly lebanese with thier families and some Syrian workers.

Aljazeera Reporter : 90% of the dead in Qa3 north of lebanon were children and women.

stunster August 4, 2006 - 11:28am

This may actually have a higher final death toll than Qana, and is far enough away from the Israeli border that it cannot plausibly be claimed that rockets were being fired from it.

Ynetnews.com has this

3 Golani troops killed

Cleared for publication: During operation in southern Lebanese village of Markhava Hizbullah fires anti-tank missile killing officer, two soldiers; in separate incident 2 soldiers injured in Al-Taybeh

Efrat Weiss

Two soldiers and an officer of the Golani Brigade were killed overnight Friday by an anti-tank rocket fired by Hizbullah, the army said.

The soldiers were identified as First Sergeant Daniel Shiran, 20, of Haifa, and First Sergeant Omri Elmakis, 20, of Ramle.

An IDF officer was seriously wounded and another soldier was lightly injured in the incident.

Golani troops were attacked during an operation in the southern Lebanese village of Markhaba. The army said that at least seven terrorists were killed in the village and weapon caches were found. A car driven by backup Hizbullah gunmen was destroyed.

An Israeli air strike on a parking lot used by trucks and buses near Lebanon's border with Syria in the eastern Bekaa Valley on Friday killed or wounded 25 civilians, security sources said. They said warplanes bombarded the parking near the village of Qaa in the northern tip of the Bekaa close to a Lebanese customs point on the border.

Earlier, the army said that two Israeli soldiers were wounded - one moderately and another lightly - in fresh clashes with Hizbullah in the southern Lebanese village of al-Taybeh. One of the soldiers was an officer.

Soldiers conducting searches in the village came under fire and an anti-tank missile was fired in their direction. The soldiers were airlifted to the Rambam hospital in Haifa.

IDF ground troops operating in the southwestern Lebanon killed four Hizbullah terrorists in the village of Shama.

In the Lebanese village of Mankhala a Hizbullah terrorist was killed and another was injured.

Al-Jazeera was at one point reporting more than 60 dead at the parking lot in Qaa, 90% of them women and children. Latest figure apparently is 33 dead, more wounded.

From a Lebanese viewer:

Another crime, another massacre today!
Israel killed 33 citizens in Al kaa region in al-Bekaa.
Al jazeera tv was broadcasting the pictures of the bodies, or the pieces of bodies and autopsies, very similar to the Qana's Massacre.
this thread is dedicated to the persons who died in this massacre.

AP has this:

An Israeli airstrike hit dozens of farm workers loading vegetables near the Lebanon-Syria border, killing 28, the workers' foreman and a Lebanese official said.

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Naharnet.com has this:

26 people, mostly Syrians, killed in an Israeli raid on workers filling a refrigerated room with boxes of fruit and vegetables in Qaa village in the Bekaa valley near the Syrian border

stunster August 4, 2006 - 12:28pm

Officials: Israeli strikes in Lebanon flatten houses, 57 buried in rubble

Israeli air strikes on two villages in south Lebanon on Friday flattened two houses, and 57 people were reported buried in the rubble, security officials and the state news agency reported.
The number of dead was not immediately known. The warplanes hit Taibeh, about 5 kilometers (3 miles) from the Israeli border, destroying a house where 17 people had taken refuge. (AP)

(08.04.06, 20:03)

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3286381,00.html

stunster August 4, 2006 - 1:04pm

Iraqi Shiites chant 'Death to Israel'

By MURTADA FARAJ, Associated Press Writer
Fri Aug 4, 10:35 AM ET

Hundreds of thousands of Shiites chanting "Death to Israel" and "Death to America" marched through the streets of Baghdad's biggest Shiite district Friday in a show of support for Hezbollah militants battling Israeli troops in Lebanon....

The demonstration was the biggest in the Middle East in support of Hezbollah since the Israeli army launched an offensive July 12 after a guerrilla raid on northern Israel. The protest was organized by radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, whose political movement built around the Mahdi Army militia has been modeled after Hezbollah.

Al-Sadr summoned followers from throughout the Shiite heartland of southern Iraq to converge on Baghdad for the rally but he did not attend.

Demonstrators, wearing white burial shrouds symbolizing their willingness to die for Hezbollah, waved the group's yellow banner and chanted slogans in support of its leader, Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, who has attained a cult status in the Arab world for his defiance of Israel.

"Allah, Allah, give victory to Hassan Nasrallah," the crowd chanted.

"Mahdi Army and Hezbollah are one. Let them confront us if they dare," the predominantly male crowd shouted, waving the flags of Hezbollah, Lebanon and Iraq...

Factoid: the combined Shia population of Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Iran exceeds 83 million.

source

The neocons are doing a 'heckuva job' in the region. Heckuva job.

stunster August 4, 2006 - 1:24pm
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