It occurs to me . . .


. . . sitting here reading Sykes' 'A History Of Persia' that the Nile River Valley, the valley of Euphrates and Tigris, the Iranian plateau and the Anatolian landmass have been struggling for supremacy over the Levant--Lebanon, Syria and Israel/Palestine--and each other for much longer than most people realize.

And this struggle has had a distinctly geopolitical tone (as opposed to religious or ideological one) for most of history. Sure, the Babylonians carried off the Israelites. It was hardly because of their religion, however.

In 608 BC King Josiah of Judah made of himself and his kingdom a speedbump (at a place called Megiddo, no less) for the oncoming Egyptian army. (Josiah acted 'at the bidding of the Assyrians' says Sykes.) This chain of events ulimately led to the fall of Nineveh (Assyria), the rise of Media (highland Persia adjacent to Mesopotamia) and the supremacy of Babylonia over Egypt and the rest. The Israelites were a secondary consideration at best, except to the Israelites, that is.

There isn't really any moral here (history is rarely that generous); just something to ponder when you think about Saddam, Iran, Mubarak, Turkey and Israel. If the region's politics were just about religion then I imagine Turkey and Israel wouldn't have much of an alliance, albeit an under the table one. More than likely the politics are complicated because they transcend religion. But in an era of neo-con utopianism, allied with Christianist against Islamist millenarian eschatology (don't forget the lubricant: oil), well, what do we expect?*
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* Edited after the fact slightly for clarity.


Sean Paul Kelley February 15, 2006 - 6:54pm

you can do better

first, I doubt you have a point

second, if you do, does it involve geography and culture

geography and ethnic development (land divides creating stable ethnic identity because of some reason?  or assures no stable ethnic identity?  or what?)

or something else?

jwp February 15, 2006 - 9:55pm

China and Vietnam have had border wars for the past 1000 years.  Ideologies come and go; geography, especially farmland, is eternal.

Tonsure Wimple February 16, 2006 - 4:23am

SP,

to me, your most engaging trait is your adventurous interest in all things

not afraid to step out

very good

so many people hide in specialties, and jargon

but you (like me) sometimes leap before you look

As far as your comment went, this is one of those times.  But you might actually be near something interesting, so I am trying to push you a bit.

There DO seem to be a lot of ethnic groups, languages, religious affiliateions, etc. packed into this particular area.  I wonder why.

cross roads of sorts, I guess.  But do we have any more specific stories to offer?

jwp February 16, 2006 - 12:21am

That was one of the most interesting little blurbs you have ever written. Especially the way you summed it up in the last two sentences.

Bucksouth February 16, 2006 - 12:55am

makes a point. It simply is. Just like this post. It's not realy even anecdotal, simple highlighting a bit of history and its context most people are unaware of.

Sean Paul Kelley February 15, 2006 - 10:04pm

little bit more. We'll see. I can't make any promises because I can't read minds. But I'll sit with this for a while. Fair enough?

Sean Paul Kelley February 16, 2006 - 2:47am

do not have the foggiest notion what the last two sentences are supposed to mean

jwp February 16, 2006 - 2:30am

in college

are people who study history out of context

snippets here and there in the service of some theme

I do not believe that it is useful or principled to study history that way.

jwp February 16, 2006 - 3:12am

I majored in history. BA History ~ 1993. Univeristy of Houston.

Sean Paul Kelley February 16, 2006 - 4:54am

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